Is 8 hours of electricity in your future? Repost from John Robb

Is 8 hours a day of electricity in your future?

Is 8 Hours of Electricity a Day in Your Future?
By John Robb
Long term electricity shortages are usually only seen in war zones, disaster zones, or extremely poor countries. It’s not something we expect to see in the US or the EU, particularly since ubiquitous, always on electricity is synonymous with modernity. Regardless, given the way things are headed, it’s likely our future.

The future I anticipate is based on the pragmatic assumption that the hard times ahead of us are what they’ve always been across history — i.e. economic depression, political upheaval, bankruptcy, rampant criminality, and warfare — and not a complete collapse of civilization — i.e. a Zombie Apocalypse.

So, given historical precedent, there is every reason to believe we will see routine electricity shortages materialize as our economies deteriorate. Based on past experience, here’s what we should expect:

Nothing new will be built. We are just realizing we are bankrupt. Our collective wealth has been squandered and stolen, never to be seen again. This means the investment dollars available for improvements and expansion of the electricity grid don’t exist. What does get funded, gets stopped by a justified NIMBY (not-in-my-backyard) movement. So, even if there were a plentiful, sustainable, and inexpensive new supply of centralized electricity production available, it’s very likely it would never reach the customers that would use it.
The grid will fall into disrepair and become intermittently available. As we become poorer, funding for the maintenance of the national grid will evaporate. As a result, we will see more breakdowns. Further, we will see sources of centralized electricity supply become intermittent, as suppliers go offline due to sagging demand or government attempts to regulate prices in a fragile economy.
The grid will be intentionally broken. As our economies fall deeper into depression, our political and social systems will follow them into the abyss. Attacks on the grid infrastructure will become more frequent as criminals strip lines of precious metals and domestic guerrillas attack the lines cause disruption.
This is obviously a degraded future for those reliant on the current system. An ongoing loss of electricity makes everything harder. It adds friction to nearly everything you do.

In contrast, for those of us building resilient communities that produce most of what we need locally, the onset of routine blackouts will be of minor consequence to our daily lives.

Your always pragmatic but optimistic about our future analyst,

John Robb

That’s why I am telling everyone to invest in 19the century sun power generation technologies. I have a friend in Georgia who is working on setting up a steam engine to run a generator, the generator to charge a deep cycle marine battery or hydrogen fuel cell, and the battery or cell go to an inverter which will hopefully provide 120 VAC for at least one appliance at a time.


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24 Responses to Is 8 hours of electricity in your future? Repost from John Robb

  1. Columnist says:

    “So, even if there were a plentiful, sustainable, and inexpensive new supply of centralized electricity production available, it’s very likely it would never reach the customers that would use it.”

    Very interesting remark.

  2. Ryu says:

    Well, large parts of the US are essentially in the 70s and 80s. They merely have new cars, computers and cell phones. The buildings and roads are old. It’s the big cites where you see all the hype and new stuff. In fact, I’d gladly exchange the technology for the previous racial composition.

    Hey did you get your Fresnel lens yet?

  3. HerewardMW says:

    Bloody Hell!!! Tray again.

    “Attacks on the grid infrastructure will become more frequent as criminals strip lines of precious metals”

    Yes this is the kind of thing that will happen in the future. Oh, wait.

    • Rita Rabbit says:

      The security industry is going to big huuuuge in the future!

      • Yes, that’s what I’m planning on. MW can tend his vegetables. Have gun, Will Travel.

      • mindweapon says:


        That’s fine. But I think I will be able to turn “tending my vegetables” into directing the efforts and energies of hundreds and then thousands of people. That’s how a mindweapon fights — he seizes the memespace, the idea-space, and shapes it for the millenium, as upon wax.

        TheHammer Speaks

        “Why so hard?” the kitchen coal once said to the diamond. “After all, are we not close kin?”

        Why so soft? O my brothers, thus I ask you: are you not after all my brothers?

        Why so soft, so pliant and yielding? Why is there so much denial, self-denial, in your hearts? So little destiny in your eyes?

        And if you do not want to be destinies and inexorable ones, how can you one day triumph with me?

        And if your hardness does not wish to flash and cut through, how can you one day create with me?

        For all creators are hard. And it must seem blessedness to you to impress your hand on millennia as on wax.

        Blessedness to write on the will of millennia as on bronze — harder than bronze, nobler than bronze. Only the noblest is altogether hard.

        This new tablet, O my brothers, I place over you: Become hard!

  4. TabuLa Raza says:

    Watch this woman fail to solve world’s easiest math problem
    2 days ago

    ​Check out this soon-to-be-famous (and/or divorced) couple as they debate how long it takes to drive 80 miles at 80 mph. Beautiful, blonde Chelsea devises a complex formula based on her running times, the estimated speed of a car relative to a minute, and a bizarre need to take said time and “cut it in half,” coming up with … 58 minutes! Hubby Travis insists that using “science and math” it would take — wait for it — one hour. “Chel” isn’t convinced, and is offended that he claims to know the answer. While Chelsea’s math “skills” have gone viral, a contrite Travis has promised her a “new shopping budget.”

    Want to read more trends like this? Check out the msnNOW home page.

    • mindweapon says:


      I’d rather not have OT comments like this. Some OT is OK when it’s critical news, but this is way way OT.

      That said, I am working hard to make sure my own kid is math literate. It’s not something that comes naturally.

  5. Freedom Cobra says:

    Now would be the time to invest in good fences, cage structures, and reinforced sheds. It’s astounding how little folks protect their gear. Preferably make it discreet. Cover it in plywood or other cheap materials. Shiny things attract the wrong crowd.

  6. BKG says:

    I wonder and sometimes worry about this issue. It’s critical to me since all of our appliances are electric (there is no gas service out here and we’ve not yet switched to propane, if that even becomes viable or affordable as time goes by). We also have well water, and if the power goes, so too does our water. I am saving to buy a hand pump that will fit our well head so we can at least get water if the power fails. We went 8 days without power and water, save for a few hours here and there on the generator, and it got tough after day 2 simply because we are accustomed to the luxury of running water and the habit of turning on the tap to get a drink. The hand pump for the well will solve the problem of potable water for as long as our well is wet and uncontaminated (a pretty long time with a 375′ deep artesian system that sits atop karst).

    Of course, municipal water systems would fail after a time in the case of a complete grid failure; something is running those pumps and backup power won’t last forever, which is one reason we are glad to have a well and not be dependent on city water. But potable water is the most important concern. I can wash dishes, bodies, and clothing with cold water, but you cannot drink out of puddles or lakes without consequences. I can see where the fresnel lens or some other concentrated and rapid heat source would be advantageous in that situation, since filters only last so long and long-term use of iodine to cleanse the water screws up the body. Chlorine drops do OK too, but again, long term use is not recommended.

    Long term lack of electricity sounds cool and romantic for a while, until the implications beyond day to day convenience set in: namely, They Only Come Out At Night. Who might try to pillage my home and harm my family when the lights go out? I take MFH’s advice to heart as well as MW’s – we are well armed and well stocked with food, secretly on both counts. We could last a year, maybe; longer if I can keep the garden and chickens safe from pillage by either government redistributionists or less official thieves.

    I also fear government in the case of power loss. When will they decide that I have done the ant’s work and now must share, at gunpoint, with the grasshoppers?

    • mindweapon says:


      When the lights go out, you must develop a local government ASAP, and with that, a militia that is run by the police chief, basically an “auxiliary police force.” You don’t want to go it alone.

      For example, guard duty. There will be stationary guards and patrol guards, on bicycles if we have them, on foot if not. if the patrol guards don’t report regularly to the stationary guards, the alarm goes up. hopefully we’ll have walkie talkies and batteries but if not, gunfire will alert the militia as surely as anything. there must be muster points and neighborhood squads — that sort of thing.

      I don’t go into detail on this blog, but I sure as heck am not opposed to doing this. What I’m saying is — even if you do this, keep it a secret as best you can, and make it town government thing.

      Also, organize towns around you, and exchange intelligence regularly. If the town 2 towns over gets raided by MZB’s, you don’t want to wait for those MZB’s to come find you. You want to hunt them down and exterminate every last one of them.

      Read Kunstler’s books “World Made by Hand” and “The Witch of Hebron.” Also, read Lucifer’s Hammer. Kunstler’s character in “world” makes a stupid mistake. he tries to go arrest a bad guy who is the chief of a tribe by making the guy go peacefully. what he needed to do was organize a siege of the tribe, US army style, where you surround them, cut them off, and wait them out. Minimize casualties on your side, make life hell for them. Or even send in a spy and poison them. Fighting dirty is A-OK. Fight to win.

      Also, read the Ostrovsky books “by way of deception” and “the other side of deception” and “Lion of Judah” and Suvorov’s Aquarium, and other spy memoirs. that stuff works. I was in military intelligence. I never got up high, but I learned a lot just from the SAEDA briefings, how an enemy spy organization seeks to corrupt soldiers/government officials.

      As far as ZOG goes, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. establish a trading/bribing relationship with your local ZOG representatives. Are there sinister units of non-white police/military in your area? Supply them with booze, drugs and the like. Corrupt them as much as possible, rather than taking them on directly. Send in mata haris to get intel from their officers.

      Yes, ordinary citizens can develop an open source military and an open source spy agency. It doesn’t take trillion dollar black budgets; it just takes smart people. Humint is easy and cheaper than hot lead and cold steel.

      • Columnist says:

        Open source spy agencies are very useful. And the open sources in other languages are even more useful, as the language barrier makes them semi-open.

      • mindweapon says:

        Yep Hey Columnist, let us know when you make a new post.

      • HerewardMW says:

        The agrees with something that I’ve been thinking for a while; in a collapse situation the most important thing to have is a community around you. Who has your back? Who can you trust?

        I’ve read survival blogs which go on about all the different equipment and supplies you’ll need but realistically, if you are on your own you’re not a “lone wolf”, you are isolated and vulnerable. Someone will take advantage of that vulnerability and even if they don’t what have you achieved? A couple of extra years of life sitting in a shack taking pot shots at people and mumbling insanely to yourself is not my idea of a good time. On your own you will only ever manage to survive, never to thrive.

      • mindweapon says:

        right, community is most important. Being a WN rather than an atomized individualist kind of clarifies how one’s community will be composed, too, doesn’t it?

      • Rita Rabbit says:


    • Craig says:

      Remember to buy plenty of replacement parts for your hand pump, valve caps, clips, sleeves and what not. All pumps are a pain in the arse when they break down, windmills, solar, petrol ect…

  7. robroysimmons says:

    “Lucifer’s Hammer” great book.

  8. uKn_Leo says:

    This article has a tenuous link to the OP but I thought it may be of interest as it contains some interesting relevant facts regarding the militarisation of those sworn to ‘protect and serve’. I believe the author may be of YKW origin but he highlights the need for MW’s push for self sufficiency, unfortunately even in community policing. The piece contains the following quote.

    “Occupy protesters aren’t just facing local police; they are facing an entire system bent on breaking dissent and protecting the status quo…how can you play by the rules when the 1 per cent writes, and keeps rewriting, the rules? The only way to fight back is to fight back against the entire system”.

    The myth of freedom in the land of the free:

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