Jared Taylor on miscegenation, and mentions YKW

Jared Taylor on miscegenation.

It is his riposte to John Derbyshire’s article on the subject. Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman.

Taylor mentions Voldemort!

It is a near-universal human desire for people to want to see themselves rather than strangers in their children. (Of course, in contemporary America, as Steve Sailer has observed, only Jews are allowed to express it.)

I urge you to read it through and copy-paste it into a word doc or print it out. Taylor is providing talking points and sources. He has clearly thought this through, and articulates the position with rhetorical virtuosity.

However, Taylor goes weak-kneed with this remark:

This said, I don’t like government intrusion into private decision-making. Even if it were possible to pass anti-miscegenation laws I would oppose them.

He would oppose such laws? Give me a break! Really? After all this? I think he’s trying to maintain respectability with Libertarians or something.

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  1. Ryu says:

    Whoa! JT mentioned the YKW? LOL. I like JT actually. I guess you have to do certain things to remain respectable.

    Alot of people want a white ethnostate without wanting what its going to take to achieve and maintain it. It will be a military state, as the rest of the world opposes it. It will be totalitarian, in our favor. Many don’t have the guts, or more accurately, the desire to succeed that would overcome all objections. It’s results that matter.

  2. Joe Rebel says:

    Hmmmmmm, is Jared Taylor turning “anti-Semitic?”

    • mindweapon says:

      I don’t know. But I sure disagree with him about outlawing race-mixing. I would outlaw it, and the punishment would be deportation. Actually, in my ethnostate, race mixing would be all but impossible, but anyone who did it would be deported to some rainbow state.

      • Joe Rebel says:

        I was trying to be funny with the above quote. I highly doubt Jared will ever change his views on the YKW.

        As with miscegenation, hopefully in a future where ethno-nationalism is the standard form of thought, those who engage in miscegenation would be exiled from their various tribes and form communes where that and other types of degenerate behavior are tolerated. .

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        Race Mixing is not always harmful to the individuals involved. Look at Derbyshire! I think it comes down to who is mixing and why and the scope of the mixing. On the latter subject, I remember David Duke writing in My Awakening that he would not be bothered by a small Asian population in the US and reminded his readers that Asian genes had been absorbed into the populations of Russia and Eastern Europe without these areas ceasing to be white.

        Robert Lindsay had a post some time ago in which he attacked WNs for their opposition to miscegenation. He said it is not genocide if someone wants the relationship and WNs should butt out of other peoples’ personal affairs. Reuben Hayat the Jew Among You responded that miscegenation was not something chosen in a vacuum and that the media is pushing it (especially black on white).

        Who is right, Lindsay or Hayat? I think the answer is both are right depending on who is mixing and why. In the pre-1965 era, when the Media YKWs were good and scared to promote miscegenation, some white men mixed in spite of societal criticism and very few white women did the same. In the modern era, when mixing is promoted, both sexes do it.

        I suspect Lindsey was thinking of white men when he wrote about people freely choosing to mix. I have known men who had non-white non-black girlfriends and even wives. They didn’t seem self hating or anti-white. They just seemed to like their exotic nonwhite woman.

        I suspect Hayat was thinking of white women when he said the media have tricked them into fashionable miscegenation. Before YKW started selling this it seemed extremely rare. I suspect that if there really was a way of having a culture “vacuum” most whites of both sexes would chose other whites as partners, virtually no white women would chose non-whites, and a noticeable but small minority of white men would freely choose non-white women.

        Kievsky has also pointed out in the past a self-hating quality to white woman/black man relationships. I think I have seen this too. Having said that, I don’t see the same thing with white men with nonwhite women nor do I see the same self-hate feelings among white women who dated nonwhite non-NAM men. The girls I knew who dated YKW, Pakistanis, and Middle Easterners seemed to be hyper-confident and think they were too damn good for White men.

        Also, there are cases when the whites in question were probably not going to attract another white. White women with blacks are oftentimes (but unfortunately not always) hideous obese low IQed monstrosities. Plenty of these women would be spinsters without mixing. You may think this is okay (and I really can’t disagree) but they don’t. Also many of the unattractive white “nerds” have no chance for a white woman. Many WNs seem to mock these men thus demonstrating the White Nationalists don’t give a shit about these whites. Why would men like this give a shit about white nationalism in turn? I don’t fault such men for getting what they can and finding some happiness.

      • Vick says:

        Yeah, in a white-only state, or even a 80-90% white state, miscegenation would be very rare, so rare that you really wouldn’t need laws to stop it.

        Rather than laws creating the temptation of forbidden fruit, a better way would be open discussion about human biodiversity, publicly funded advanced scientific research into genetics, and education in the schools about genetic heritage and why it’s so important to preserve it.

        In other words, all the resources of society would be marshaled against miscegenation in much the same way all the forces of our current society are marshaled in favor of it. In as little as a generation, cultural pressure against miscegenation could have as much of an effect as any laws, and it’s the right kind of pressure in the sense that it aims for winning hearts and minds rather than going the whole secret sex police route.

      • mindweapon says:

        Good point, Vick.

        Wow, a lot of people are making Jared Taylor’s point! Yes, if we taught human biodiversity in the schools and promoted eugenic breeding and the beauty of recessive Whites, there would certainly be vanishingly little mixnig with dominant genotypes.

  3. Anonymous says:

    IMO Anti-miscegenation laws are stupid, if you have to pass a law against something you already lost.

    • mindweapon says:

      No I don’t think so. Teenaged girls can’t be given the power to destroy their own race or obliterate their family line.

      • Anonymous says:

        We have to do a better job teaching our people why not to do those things. And most importantly our parents need to stop being so soft. They must be willing to disinherit and socially shun children who do things they don’t approve of, especially marrying feral animals.

      • Robert says:

        Sorry, beg to differ. Their parents cede them the power by letting the dominant cultural memes stand. A young person who chooses an outgroup partner is demonstrating their rejection of their parents and their indepdendence, not a preference for the Other. It’s only a stage. This is only possible if the dominant culture encourages it, and the parents prove too frightened of ‘losing’ their child to respond effectively. The joke is that those parents will be absolutely hated by the young person in a few years time for NOT intervening, and the emphasis has to be on supporting the parents to deal with the situation. Disempowering the family by putting the issue into the court system makes the culture soft. Do I have to analogise between a healthy immune system and one propped up by antibiotics?

  4. Hereward Saxon says:

    Derbyshire married Chinese?!

  5. Hereward Saxon says:

    Quoting Derbyshire, from the VDare article:

    “First, I am not—obviously not—a racial purist.
    I’m fine with miscegenation—again, obviously.
    I don’t even have anything to say to racial purists.
    I just think they’re wrong; and also, to judge
    from their occasional emails, slightly nuts.”

    With friends like that does the movement need enemies?
    Good post, thanks!

  6. Hereward Saxon says:

    And then Taylor, who knows it’s wrong, and unnatural, and harmful, doesn’t want to have laws made about it !

    • Matt Strictland says:

      OK, for clarity I am opposed to race mixing for reasons that it violates “tribal” rules and hurts ones people and lineage. I would never do it myself. I’ve seen the results and often as not they are bad.

      However its not always harmful in the eugenic sense if the stock being mixed in is high quality. It can create issues, sometimes but not always.

      Its also not unnatural like say bestiality , most Whites are 4% Neanderthal if science is to be believed which means our ancestors were busy banging girls that were only marginally human. Of course we might have got our skin color and genes for red hair from them. Also people have been doing this for a very long time.

      That being said, don’t do it. Period.

      The issue here in play is less eugenics, but loyalty. Part of being a WN is not race mixing, its a core part of the ethos as important to the cause as doing the same is to Observant Jews. It breaches the Folks moral code.

      That reason is why I think a successful WN world will need more than one polity. There are perfectly honorable WN’s who aren’t bothered about a small number of Asians and Jews . Some of these WN’s are mixed blooded even. It may be naive but I understand it, in context.

      In no way shape or form do they belong in the ethnostate MW and most of the people here want but they can and should have one of their own. This won’t be a threat to pure white land as much as a safety valve to bleed off the occasional liberal to and can and should coexist.

      As I see it, there ought to be at least 7 ethno states plus various Amerind areas

      #1 The Pure Land (what MW and Ryu and others here want)

      #2 America like 1940 (90% White with a few wobblers)

      #3 America like 1980 (80% White with a few wobblers)

      #5 The Kwan (Black homeland)

      #6 Los Estado Del Norte (Brown Homeland)

      #7 Rainbow Multi-Cult (for idiots and the naive and liberals)

      2 and 3 might combine and probably should be where Jared Taylor lives, Now how we get this and which form and size of State each would take is tricky but JMO this is the best bet for last peace and a healthy White world.

      • Skeeter says:

        I’ve always thought splitting up America into at least four racial states was the way to go (whites get all of the North and some of the South, blacks get some of the Southeast, Hispanics get some of the Southwest, Jews and queers get New York).

        But I like your idea of seven. One question that comes up anytime a divorce happens — and that’s essentially what partitioning would be — is, “who gets the assets?” Obviously, I think the white state should get all the WMD and other heavy military hardware, but the other states won’t agree to that. Another thing to consider: white Southerners won’t be keen on giving up the South, even though they’d be better off.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        Matt,
        Your idea is basically what I have been imagining for a long time. There are lots of people in the present USA who are decent and largely White but still have some degree of Asian, YKW, Amerind, or other in them. A mostly White state like 2 and 3 could even take in some of the lightly mixed people from Europe and Australasia thus making these countries Whiter.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        Also, pro-Whites could administer Polities 2 and 3 behind the scenes in the manner that YKW administer the current West. That way 2 and 3 could remain allies of State 1 and sympathetic to its existence and success. Imagine if the German Gov had tried to sway opinion in the US in the 1930s by buying the Bund some newspapers and radio stations and allowing them to compete with YKW for influence and public opinion.

      • HerewardMW says:

        2 and 3 would end up like 7 in short order.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        “2 and 3 would end up like 7 in short order”
        Not if 2 and 3 were not democracies. If they practiced pro-Western pro-White propaganda and did not allow egalitarians a place in government, the military, academia, or the media then it could be viable. They could practice a multiracial form of eugenics.

        The US military has done good as a multiracial force, as Steve Sailer has pointed out in the past, they rely on IQ tests and background checks to gain a select group of non-whites for admission. 2 and 3 could take in those who are slightly mixed, pro-white non-whites (including those married to whites), HBD people, and other fellow travelers of white nationalism who are not white nationalists. In Harold Covington’s Freedom’s Sons, it is suggested that Alaska becomes a free republic after the Great Northwestern War. I imagine that Covington thinks it would be a 2/3 type country with mostly whites and a paleoconservative/paleolibertarian government. Obviously not every non-white would be eligible to be a citizen of 2 or 3. Its not hard to have a rule that someone need to prove themselves capable, non-criminal, and sympathetic to the White West.

        A 2 or 3 government could also take in homosexuals if they were not permitted in 1. HAC wants them unwelcomed in such a place but Greg Johnson wants them permitted. Perhaps white nationalist homosexuals could reside in 2 or 3 but have no favorable laws based on their sexuality.

        A 2 or 3 country that was non-NS fascist state could practice eugenics and become a competent, though slightly mixed, first world country. Would white nationalists except such states? In the 1930s, YKW worked hard to win the Americans to their cause. The Germans acted as if it were ideologically beneath them to do the same. That didn’t turn out well. White nationalists would lose 2 and 3 only if they were short sighted enough to believe it could not work and then allowed YKW and other hard enemies to court these people.

      • Joe Rebel says:

        Where would the YKW, Middle Easterners, Asians, and Roma Gypsies go?

      • mindweapon says:

        Joe,

        There will probably be mass depopulation so there will be plenty of room for everyone again.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        “Where would the YKW, Middle Easterners, Asians, and Roma Gypsies go?”

        Probably in most cases 7. In some cases 2 or 3. Christian Middle Easterners/North Africans could be strong candidates for 2 or 3. Perhaps the same is true of Zoroastrians and other religious minorities from the region.

  7. Columnist says:

    What to think about people who want to distinguish between male and female race-mixing, that is taking Y-haplotype into account?

    • Matt Strictland says:

      Don’t do it.

      If you are going to have an Iblis themed theocracy, its your land but the offspring aren’t White in the correct sense, especially if they aren’t European.

      In truth an Ashkenazim would be Whiter

  8. TabuLa Raza says:

    It would hard to marry a congoid, as there wouldn’t be any around.

    Yes, whites have the absolute right to marry nigs. In Madagascar, for example. They have no right to ruin our gene pool. Why would any white even think about marrying a black? There would no longer be joo thought control. Such notions (miscegenation) would be viewed as insane. Radical liberty, for Whites only. Others kept out by FORCE.

    • Anonymous says:

      “Why would any white even think about marrying a black? Such notions (miscegenation) would be viewed as insane.”

      That’s what I’m saying.

    • Denise Barber says:

      Did you guys see the ” Crazed Black Woman Wipes Her Enormous Gluteus Maximus in Indian Store” video, on the OD site? View it, and show it around, That will kill ANY desire to breed with Negroes, in anything but the worst genetic defectives.

  9. Anon says:

    anti-miscegenation laws were part of an overall system that served to minimize the ultimate amount of intermarriage that occurred, they are no silver bullet, but there is no such thing in any field.

    As far as Derbyshire is concerned I believe he has written to the effect that, yes, large scale intermarriage tends to not end well for society in general.

  10. Trainspotter says:

    Part 1 of 2
    Ed the DH: “Race Mixing is not always harmful to the individuals involved.”

    That’s arguable, at best. I suspect that old Derb has lost more than he cares to admit. But even if that’s not the case, his behavior is harmful to the white tribe. Plenty of things might be good for the individual, but harmful to the rest of the community. A white employer might personally benefit from hiring cheap, non-white immigrant labor – but he is behaving in such a way that is damaging to the broader community. It’s precisely this sort of shortsighted approach to life that has gotten us into our present predicament, and at every level: racially, economically, environmentally, socially, culturally, etc. It’s all of a piece.

    Ed the DH: “I remember David Duke writing in My Awakening that he would not be bothered by a small Asian population in the US and reminded his readers that Asian genes had been absorbed into the populations of Russia and Eastern Europe without these areas ceasing to be white.”

    I’m not remotely convinced that most whites of Russia and Eastern Europe have much, if any Asian blood. To confirm one way or another would require truly accurate DNA testing, which certainly didn’t exist back when Duke wrote My Awakening (whether we even have it now, at least in a broadly available commercial sense, is questionable).

    In any event, it is clear that racial mixing in the past has led to the destruction of white populations. What happened to the ancient whites of western China? There are entire swathes of Asia filled by racially mixed, indeterminate types. Same for much of the Middle East/North Africa. Same for huge swathes of South America, for that matter. It seems fishy at best to cherry pick the fair peoples of Eastern Europe and claim that they are somehow the product of racial mixing (or are at least tainted by it), when there is an entire globe full of evidence as to what racial mixing actually means: the destruction of white populations.

    Take away points on Eastern Europe: One, it’s a really bad example for you to use, while ignoring the far greater evidence of confirmed racial mixing across the planet and its actual effects on white populations. Two, if significant numbers of whites in Eastern Europe do in fact suffer some degree of Asiatic taint, the goal should be to reduce and remove that taint over time, not provide justification for even more contamination, by falsely implying that it doesn’t really hurt us. It does.

    ED the DH: “I have known men who had non-white non-black girlfriends and even wives. They didn’t seem self hating or anti-white. They just seemed to like their exotic nonwhite woman.”

    And they can like her all they want, they just can’t do it within a white ethnostate. There already are, and certainly should be, communities for race mixers to live in. I don’t dislike people like the Derb or even his offspring. But they should not be allowed to “free ride” on the white community, while simultaneously undermining the racial basis of that community. That is simply a form of cheating.

    You (figuratively speaking, not you literally) want to mix? Great, but you’ll have to live with – and in – the consequences of that mixing. Fair is fair – no cheating. You should not be able to soak up the benefits of living in a white community while literally undermining the basis of that community.

    • mindweapon says:

      Trainspotter,

      Here’s my theory on Russia and Asian admixture, which happened during the Mongolian invasion (mass rapes)

      1. The epicanthal fold is evident in Slavs, so much so that if you had a crowd of blondes from Norway, and one Russian blonde, I could pick out the Russian.

      2. Asian admixture is behaviourally evident in Slavs.
      a. It is why Slavic societies are more racist.
      b. It is why Slavic societies are more corrupt.

      The racism and corruption actually protects the Russians from the George Soros “open society” schemes. Blacks cannot cavort openly with white women on the streets of Russian cities. Whom to thank for this?

      Genghis Khan, that’s whom.

      As far as Tanstaafl, his kids are 1/4 Jewish. Here’s the Nuremberg Laws:

      The Nuremberg Laws classified people with four German grandparents as “German or kindred blood”, while people were classified as Jews if they descended from three or four Jewish grandparents. A person with one or two Jewish grandparents was a Mischling, a crossbreed, of “mixed blood”.

      So they are “mischlings.” As far as I’m concerned, if they don’t think or act Jewish, if they don’t try to wreck society, I’d let them pass.

      And in our fantasy ethnostate, pure Aryans who want to set up Jewish style banking would be deported promptly.

      I don’t know that we can afford to alienate people like Tanstaafl. He’s a good guy, and a great writer. There’s a VNN poster who calls himself “Horseman” who admits to being ethnically Jewish. He’s got thousands of posts. I highly doubt he’s secretly working against us.

      We are the weaker party this time. We have to fight based on this reality. How did Jews fight when they were weak? They used mass ethno-espionage, they emphasized education in their culture, and they subverted Aryans to work for them. They didn’t have litmus tests for allies, except loyalty and/or greed.

      We should not drive away allies or volunteers. We should work to subvert the multiracial establishment. We’re going to get unusual allies — Asians, Jews, mulattoes. Letting them help us is not going to violate the purity of a future fantasy ethnostate. Google “Leo Felton.” Not that he’s an ally you’d want to have personally; but he’s a mulatto who came very close to blowing up a bridge because it was going to be named for a Jew! There are fanatical people out there who aren’t quite genetically qualified to be part of our fantasy future ethnostate, but they sure as hell are ready to work for us/donate to us/fight for us now.

      WE ARE NOT THE ESTABLISHMENT ANY MORE. Don’t you get that? Having these DNA tests for any allies is something you do if you have an ethnostate already and you are considering breeding stock.

      Quick story; back in the National Alliance days, a half-Jewish kid whose father was the head of the ACLU in a certain state tried to join. His sister was dating a Jamaican and he was not pleased, but his parents were taking the side of the Jamaican. The NA person who met him politely rejected him. Dumb dumb dumb!

      He needed to be thinking like a CIA operative who just had an enemy’s son walk into the office! He could have spent years cultivating him, massaging his ego, and getting donations and intel from him. He could have sent him to work for the ACLU as a spy. But no, he’s a half Jew, go away. No wonder we’re not getting anywhere!

      I want to win. The fact of DNA testing can ensure the racial purity of our fantasy future ethnostate. For now, let’s take our allies where we can get them.

      • hnom says:

        Mindweapon: “Blacks cannot cavort openly with white women on the streets of Russian cities. Whom to thank for this? Genghis Khan, that’s whom.”

        I would disagree. Russians are much more racially aware than Americans and perhaps even Europeans, though closer to their level. They’ve done it in two ways: 1. understanding that the one way to protect their women is through intimidation and violence. 2. Grouping together with other Russians to separate the man from the woman. You don’t hear stories of just one Russian male making a comment toward a non White, but a group of three or more.

        Russian women understand this and make no eye contact with Caucasian peoples (people from Abkhazia for instance). Russian familial ties are also much more tribal and traditional than in the West so the elders usually do make their displeasure known if there’s a possibility their grandkids won’t resemble them.

      • mindweapon says:

        hnom,

        I agree with what you say about Russians, but I think this is because of the Asian admixture.

      • barb says:

        “So they are “mischlings.” As far as I’m concerned, if they don’t think or act Jewish, if they don’t try to wreck society, I’d let them pass.

        And in our fantasy ethnostate, pure Aryans who want to set up Jewish style banking would be deported promptly.

        I don’t know that we can afford to alienate people like Tanstaafl”

        Thanks, MW. Tanstaafl is the penultimate argument why we need to get the answer to the Mischling Question right. I have every optimism that his kids will be as pro-White as anyone. Throw him and his kids out?

        Mischlings, after all, have some White genes, and those White genes have value.

        It’s a hard question because in some cases
        *********** I’m looking at YOU Tim (Tick-tock) Wiseass *********
        the mix can result in EXTREME anti-White virulence.

        Your test I should think is a good one: If no evidence of Jewish actions or thinking, the mischling can stay. But I think we should stipulate, if the mischling converts to Judaism, marries a Jew or exhibits the slightest whiff of culture of critique behavior, out he goes.

        I even (anonymously) ran the following idea past Tan, and his reaction was, it sounds reasonable:

        Ezra Pound pointed out that Byzantine Empire lasted 1000 years without the jews getting the upper hand, by simply barring jews from jobs in gov’t, academia and finance.

        If we put such employment restrictions (I’d add media) on the 1/2 and 1/4 mischlings who act and think White and are therefore being allowed to stay, and insist they outmarry, then I think our fledgling White ethnostate would be safe.

      • mindweapon says:

        Barb,

        We aren’t the Establishment. We have no Establishment.

        We have to learn to think like Outsiders who want to bring down the enemy system, like the Jews in England who say, “Dress British, think Yiddish.”

        The whole discussion of whether or not to allow in this person or disallow that person is fruitless at this point — WE HAVE NO GROUP to do any excluding or including. We had more back in the National Alliance days. I suppose there is A3P, I don’t want to discount them, but I’m not involved with A3P and I’m sure they have dealt with this issue.

        I advise any of my readers, if you have nothing better to do, learn Hebrew and Arabic and go to a synagogue and say that you are a born Jew (and you are already circumcised) but you want to start practicing. In other words, infiltrate the Jews. Also, get an Israeli passport and infiltrate the Israeli right wing and see if you can get them to support the global White nationalist movement.

        Heck, Jews have been becoming priests for centuries. It’s time we returned the favor. It’s time we started subverting THEM, or using them for our ends! Think like a spy, an open source spy.

        Infiltrate the Jews, get in on the business, the money, and then fund those WN’s who are worth funding. Apartment buildings, convenience stores, homeschooling White families working those c-stores and living in those apartment buildings. Finance a group of young people to own their own house.

      • Matt Strictland says:

        I want to add to this. I was chatting about geeky stuff with an old friend of mine the other day. He was probably born in Mexico and certainly has some Mestizo blood. I’ve met the family and they are Middle to High Caste Mexicans, business owners, middle class. Not nice people but not leeches either. I’ll grant in some respects he sees himself as a Spaniard

        While we talked I used David Dukes as an example (badly sorry DD) and man did he take off, defending Dukes, defending White Pride complaining about double standards and how you can’t have a White pride society in school and how if people like Dukes had won the political fight years ago, there would have been a better society. This wasn’t wannabe talk, he’s said these things before and with passion.

        And note it wasn’t standard anti-Black racism as we have a few Black nerd friends in common. It was advancing White Interests. For a second I thought he was channeling Stormfront.

        Now this guy would not pass the 100% White D.N.A. test but he would pass the White test in terms of virtue, loyalty and will and honor and intelligence As far as I am concerned he is White in nearly every meaningful way and 100% believes in advancing White interests

        I guess it kind of reminded me that the US is crawling with people like him, part Mestizo,
        Mischlings, Asian, Part Amerind, who all potential allies. And yes the hardcore WN’s won’t want them in their nation, not the point. Everybody needs their own state and this way the pure White can be preserved and the slightly mutt American White can exist as well gradually Whitening those mutt lines As I can see it these people are White just with other blood in tiny amounts.

        By allowing them to work to a common cause while keeping the separate cause (the pure White homeland) we get stronger.

        A last point, in many respects this BS we face is a good thing. Had all the non Whites been like the people I am mentioning, a lot of people myself included would be laughing at y’all and calling you racists instead if realizing whats really going on and that you were right all along. Of course had they most been like that we’d still look like 1980 which is another thing entirely

      • Trainspotter says:

        Part 1 of 2:
        Kievsky, interesting theory on Asiatic admixture, but I would also point out that white Southerners aggressively and zealously protected their racial integrity for centuries. These white Southerners were almost entirely of northwestern European origin. As were the Boers of South Africa.

        Further, there are a significant number of Russian-Americans that have been fully assimilated. I’m not speaking of recent Russian immigrants, but those that came generations ago. I’m not aware of any evidence that these white Americans, of Russian decent, address race all that differently from other white Americans, once other variables are controlled for. If they were genetically more racially aware than the rest of us, we would expect to see it manifest in culturally assimilated Russians. I’m not seeing that, and have never seen anyone point to any evidence to the contrary.

        In fact, even today it is probably safe to say that healthy racial attitudes are still strongest in the South (despite a massive collapse in certain respects), again populated largely by people of northwestern European origin.

        So no, I don’t buy that most whites from eastern Europe are particularly mixed (no doubt some are). What small admixture that may exist is not sufficient to account for behavioral differences, good or bad.

        Instead, I suspect that it’s the historic difference that matters far more. For example, I would suggest that the real significance of the period of Mongol subjugation was not any genetic inflow, the remnants of which are likely minimal today (I don’t claim to be an expert on Mongols, but it’s my understanding that there were few Mongol occupation troops and, in any event, a massive inflow of non-white genes would have altered the phenotype of the Russians far more than has in fact occurred. Russians are often amongst the fairest of our race, overflowing with recessive genes that simply wouldn’t be there in a mass miscegenation scenario).

        What in effect happened is that, to a considerable extent, Russia was cut off from the Western development pattern. This happened for centuries at a time, and not just during the period of Mongol subjugation. The communist era was another example of Russia being cut off, and developing under different conditions and rules. The long and the short of it is that, for a variety of reasons, Russia has had a very different historical experience than her kindred peoples to the West. Among other effects, this largely spared them the consumerist/politically correct rot that the western peoples have been subjected to.

        But my main point is that it is damaging to quibble about these things. Most whites of eastern Europe are just that – white. Most likely have little or no admixture whatsoever, and would be entirely welcome in a future white ethnostate. I know it is not your intent, but focusing on an overblown level of admixture among Russians has historically been divisive to our cause, and I’m making my minor contribution in trying to reduce it. Most Russians are clearly white, plain and simple.

        As to your comments on Tanstaafl, perhaps they were meant for someone other than me. I haven’t made so much as a single comment on his situation.

      • mindweapon says:

        Point taken, Trainspotter. You may be right. It’s just a pet theory of mine, and on a personal note, I am married into the Russian nation, so the last thing I’m doing is saying that Slavs aren’t White.

      • Trainspotter says:

        Part 2 of 2
        MW: “We should not drive away allies or volunteers.”

        I agree completely, so long as they are actual allies and support the goal of all white communities and/or homelands. If their real purpose is to simply ride herd on us or dilute our objectives, then of course that’s a problem.

        I’ve tended to be a big tent person myself, but it seems to have mixed results. Some of the people who are brought into the tent, are not themselves “big tenters.” They try to have others booted out. They vicously attack advocates of our core goals. They sow dissension. Are they really allies, just because they agree with us on some issues? For example, the YKW type who is more concerned with making white nationalism less “anti-semitic” than making their own tribe less anti-white. I have a real problem with that. Is that person an ally, or merely riding herd on the goyim?

        And a non-YKW who attacked me personally, slandering and lying, because my position was that advocates of white nationalism should hold true to their goals and continue to spread their ideas, instead of just folding up shop and joining the Republican Party. My position would have been that if he and his type want to do that, go for it. I think it’s futile at this point in the game, but so be it. Report back and tell us how it went. Just quit attacking those of us who are pursuing a different strategy. Result: vicous attacks and lies. This is a good ally?

        That’s why I believe we need a clear goal: a white ethnostate. It may be fantasy now, but it’s also a clear objective. If ANYBODY wants to help us get there, then they are an ally. Of course, if someone wants to help us achieve a lesser goal, they may be an ally…or they may simply be trying to divert or dilute. It becomes a much tougher call at that point. So again, I try to be a big tent guy, but I’ve also seen its limitations.

        MW: ” WE ARE NOT THE ESTABLISHMENT ANY MORE. Don’t you get that? Having these DNA tests for any allies is something you do if you have an ethnostate already and you are considering breeding stock.”

        This is really coming out of left field. Perhaps it’s directed elsewhere, because I’ve never argued against this. I haven’t advocated DNA tests for anyone at this point. As I’ve said before, I don’t know that we even have access to DNA tests that are truly accurate where marginal admixture is concerned.

        My position is essentially that of David Lane: if you look white, act white, fight white, that’s good enough for membership in the ethnostate. Allies (genuine allies) can of course come from anywhere, although they could not live in the tribal homeland.

        These fights over racial purity have always struck me as largely absurd…and yet I’m something of a purist. To me, there is a simple answer. The white ethnostate (or any white community for that matter) starts off with what it has. Again, look to David Lane’s take on the issue. Those people that appear to be non-jewish white, as we’ve historically understood the term in North America, can be a member of the community. Yes, it will turn out that some of these whites have some degree of admixture, but probably not much and probably unknown to them. That’s our starting point. Given our recessive genes, the initial admixture will be fairly low. No person who has always thought of themselves as white, identified as white, and been socially thought of as white would be deported or bothered in any way. To do so would be insane, cause the new state and our cause to be promptly discredited, and probably blow the last chance at saving our people. Instead, we accept a normally and socially agreeable starting point. Nothing nutty.

        Then, all we have to do is take some minor actions, nothing Orwellian, to ensure that the starting point gene pool selects for European genes from that point on, even if only slightly. For instance, Israel makes in vitro free to its citizens. We should too. Assuming we have truly accurate DNA tests, all egg and sperm donors should be 100 percent white. That simple measure alone would select positively for European genes, and against what little admixture we had at our starting point. Over time, the non-European genes are selected out, replaced by European genes. The gene pool, already very white to begin with, becomes whiter over time. For example, if you have 2 percent admixture, it’s entirely possible, perhaps even likely that your grandchildren will have none. Nothing Orwellian is required, nothing crazy, no sending John down the street to a concentration camp because he discovered, quite to his suprise, that he’s 5 percent Indian. And yet, we still rapidly achieve a pure gene pool.

        My solution is workable, and eliminates or at least dramatically reduces the divisiveness associated with this issue. Our starting point can be perfectly reasonable and socially acceptable amongst whites, and all whites, unless they are obviously mixed to the point where they violate the socially agreeable definition of someone of European descent, will know that the coming white nation will offer them a future.

      • mindweapon says:

        For example, the YKW type who is more concerned with making white nationalism less “anti-semitic” than making their own tribe less anti-white.

        So you are talking about our Internet associations. Fair enough. Notice I don’t have Larry Auster on my blog roll. I wasn’t attacking you in my comment, and you have provided very useful commentary on how to address the “who is white” question, and the “WN’s ultimate goals” question.

        I’m fine with all your positions, Trainspotter. You have thought them out quite well. Arguing about who is white or the white ethnostate is not my purview at all. I leave that to others like you and Hunter.

        I’m trying to teach my stable of readers and commenters a new way of looking at civilization — as an outsider/market dominant minority, and a new trick — mass ethno-espionage directed against the YKW establishment with the goal of getting rich and owning businesses and apartment buildings that facilitate affordable family formation and community for racially loyal White homeschooling mindweapon families. that’s a mouthful, but that’s my goal in a nutshell. I think we can create a new White elite from our existing White talent pool. basically the model is Art Robinson’s family, see robinsoncurriculum.com for his story. He has three kids, all grew up to be doctors or scientists.

        As someone who learned Russian and could have easily infiltrated YKW via the Jews from Russia, I can say this is doable. At the time I was not hip to the JQ so I didn’t know what to do with the opportunities that presented themselves. I have a Jewish sounding name and I was teaching English to a Jewish oligarch type in Moscow. When he asked me if I was Jewish I said “no.” I didn’t realize I was being recruited! Dumb dumb dumb! I could be a millionaire today, buying up convenience stores and apartment buildings near them, and staffing the C stores with racially loyal homeschooling white families who live in my apt. buildings and their rent is part of thier pay. But in 1995 I had no idea of any of this stuff and I didn’t care about money, I only cared about reading Dostoevsky in the original and that sort of thing.

        The ethnospies need to be nerds who study math and its applications (science, engineering, finance) for fun. And it is fun! I am studying calculus integrals right now and it’s a huge high,and becoming a math geek is changing my personality. The ethnospies need to infiltrate Jewish finance and the graduate departments of science — math, physics, chemistry,engineering.

        The ethnospies (aka mindweapons) should go live in China or Singapore and learn Chinese and martial arts for a few years, and then spend some time in Israel learning Hebrew and Arabic, then perhaps make connections with oligarchs. Massively overeducated, including in martial arts — the YKW’s you meet will want you to be a YKW. All you have to do is confirm their bias and say “yes” instead of “no” like I stupidly did multiple times in my life.

        Perhaps it sounds fanciful, but it’s eminently doable if you have the patience to overeducate yourself. Math/science/engineering/computers (definitely the first two, second two are electives — what you learn to establish your career), foreign languages in this order – Chinese, Hebrew, Arabic, Russian. Martial arts — wing chun/jeet kune do as well as some grappling and dirty fighting see fightfast.com

        This is how we fight soft control — we raise a new mindweapon elite.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        Trainspotter,
        Your second post tonight is very good thoughtful stuff. I particularly like how you want to be peacefully make a white ethnostate whiter by employing technology.

  11. Trainspotter says:

    Part 2 of 2
    ED the DH: “The girls I knew who dated YKW, Pakistanis, and Middle Easterners seemed to be hyper-confident and think they were too damn good for White men.”

    I happen to think that Kievsky is essentially correct in that self hatred does play a meaningful role in race mixing. But you are correct as well in that there are plenty of exceptions to the rule. Whether the issue is self hate or not, your observation reveals a very sick and unhealthy society for whites.

    I think that one of the most important issues confronting us, and conspicuously ignored by the libertarian “it’s none of your business if I race mix” types, is that in a multiracial society that allows race mixing, the white tribe CAN’T MAKE ITS CASE. The white tribe can’t even really be allowed to be a tribe at all, much less control the avenues of cultural transmission. A multiracial society simply can’t allow us to make our case for racial purity. It can’t allow the widespread distribution of pro-white movies, books and other avenues of cultural transmission. This should be obvious. Our condition today is not a fluke, rather it is the natural result of a multiracial society that allows miscegenation. In order for it to maintain any semblance of stability, we must be throttled, and the propaganda against us must be run constantly. To call that which results “free choice” is grotesque.

    Hence a new national narrative, a new version of who we are, where we came from and where we are going. Hence new heroes displacing old ones. Just in my Gen X lifetime, I’ve seen MLK replace Jefferson and Washington as the most revered and iconic of Americans. This was inevitable due to the massive demographic transformation that has taken place. Only a dimwitted “conservative” could imagine that filling up our classrooms with non-whites would not change how American history is taught, just as only dimwitted libertarians could consider everything to be a “free choice,” despite the fact that one side is actively suppressed and not even allowed to transmit its values to the next generation. In the modern libertarian mindset, a choice is “free” even though one side is not allowed to make its case.

    Not too long ago, I was deeply disturbed to learn that even some truly conservative white parents, who are fairly sound on the race issue, are now afraid to discuss race openly with their young children. They are worried that the child will say something inappropriate (read: politically incorrect, which could be almost anything) at school or in public, and get in trouble for it either with politically correct classmates, or the school itself. That’s it, our final means of cultural transmission cut: private family conversation. In a healthy culture, a given tribe (white or not) should have all of the means of cultural transmission. That’s just natural, and is simply how a meaningful culture works. Not anymore.

    Those “my race mixing is nobody else’s business” types are giving this problem an extremely weak and superficial analysis. The reality is that culture informs choices to a great extent. How many of those white girls who have come to believe that they are “too good” for white men, and somehow a disgusting Semite is a superior choice, would have made such a decision if the white tribe controlled our culture, instead of racial aliens who hate us? Because of the lies and distortions that have been pumped into their heads, and the truths and benefits of a healthy white tribe that have been denied to them, they are going to have to learn the hard way. By the time they learn it, it will be too late.

    And even if they, by dumb luck more than anything, choose a Semite that is halfway decent, they have now cut themselves off forever from something that could have been wonderful – membership in a healthy and supportive white homeland. But again, today, in our wonderful world of “free choice,” we are not even allowed to put that forward as a viable option.

    Once we achieve our white homeland, an awful lot of smirks are going to be knocked off of a lot of anti-white faces. That should be powerful motivation to win, because if we fail, their disgusting smirks will remain.

    • Ed the Department Head says:

      (1) Yes I agree that a race purist White Ethnostate should be free to keep non-whites and perhaps even largely whites out of its territory. That is why I like the idea of other mostly white states with less criteria. This grants both human choice and protection of endangered pure whites.

      (2) I have seen Eastern Europeans and Russians. Believe it or not, I have seen them up close and personal. A great many of them have noticeable East Asian ancestry. Some of these people are worthwhile and even beautiful. I suspect the less Asian looking Easterners and Russians would not agree to breed these people out. (Since they are absorbed and only present in features in some of the population how do you propose to “breed” them out?

      (3) I would qualify for State 1. I am not totally uncomfortable with better nonwhites and mostly whites. I don’t think I would be uncomfortable in State 2 or 3 so long as they were not run by YKW or egalitarian leftists. In such capacity I would do my best for my fellow citizens of 2 or 3 while also trying to help State 1 in whatever capacity I can. In that sense, I would be akin to a YKW producer or exec in Hollywood with their concerns for Israel.

      (4) Multiracial societies do not make it impossible for groups to express themselves as a racial entity. YKW and every other non-white group do it in this very society! The only thing keeping whites from organizing is YKW control of the media and government. There are a great many pure whites still found in Latin America. In spite of living as minorities in many states they have still been able to keep themselves pure. If YKW wasn’t pushing mixing, whites could educate themselves against this with a more favorable government and media. Nevertheless, they might just find many whites, like YKW here, want to marry out. I think what you really want is not to be allowed to educate but anti-miscegenation laws.

      (5) Do White nationalists want to preserve Whites or always be locked in conflict with non-whites and nearly whites? YKW and left wing friends like to claim WNs are genocidal
      maniacs who hate everyone else. Would a White ethnostate be used as a springboard to conquer and terrorize non-whites? Greg Johnson says no. But I hear others hinting otherwise. I would like white racial preservation but I am not going to demand that all whites worldwide live by such rules.

      • hnom says:

        (4) “Multiracial societies do not make it impossible for groups to express themselves as a racial entity. There are a great many pure whites still found in Latin America. In spite of living as minorities in many states they have still been able to keep themselves pure.”

        I’m not entirely sure on this point. The Whites living in Latin America are for the largest part upper class and have intermarried to keep the money in the family or build political alliances. What happens to lower class Whites? They don’t exist in Latin America and in America economic improvement is a strong motivation for overlooking inter mixing. Even middle class women go for the Tiger Woods type.

        (5) Do White nationalists want to preserve Whites or always be locked in conflict with non-whites and nearly whites? YKW and left wing friends like to claim WNs are genocidal
        maniacs who hate everyone else. Would a White ethnostate be used as a springboard to conquer and terrorize non-whites? Greg Johnson says no. But I hear others hinting otherwise. I would like white racial preservation but I am not going to demand that all whites worldwide live by such rules.

        I don’t think WN’s want to locked in perpetual conflict but this conflict will be a reality due to the competition for land and resources. In such conflicts its usually conquer or perish unless the other side is satisfied and doesn’t become revisionist.

        Could you link me to Greg Johnson? I’m new to the scene and never heard of him

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        I have been to Latin America. There are quite a few people of wholly White ancestry. In many majority non-white countries. For instance, in South Brazil I met people of wholly Mediterranean White ancestry, German ancestry, Mixed White ancestry, and even a Polish-Brazilian. I did also meet various types of racially mixed person. I inquired about the ancestries of some of the whites and they told me they had been instinctually avoiding miscegenation or alternatively that family members had privately discouraged. I suppose if one’s response is the old Nordicist claim that pure Mediterraneans don’t matter then this is mute point.

        As for conquering violence, I don’t imagine you are going to get too many whites anytime soon to go for this.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        hnom,
        Dr. Johnson is the editor of Counter-Currents.com. Google Counter-Currents.com.

    • Skeeter says:

      “Some truly conservative white parents, who are fairly sound on the race issue, are now afraid to discuss race openly with their young children. They are worried that the child will say something inappropriate (read: politically incorrect, which could be almost anything) at school or in public, and get in trouble for it either with politically correct classmates, or the school itself.” — Count me in that category.

      I don’t know if you have young kids, TS, but they are conversational sieves. They could repeat anything you say at the worst times and places. My plan is to discuss these matters with them when they reach an age of greater discretion. It sucks to admit this, but we are essentially living behind lines in the lands that used to be ours. So just as you wouldn’t parachute behind enemy lines wearing your side’s uniform, so, too, do you not send little white kids to school talking and walking WN (I’m thinking of well-know stories of parents who’ve sent kids to school with fake-tattoo swastikas or named their kid Adolf, etc.). Doing so would show lack of concern or understanding of what we’re up against.

      • Trainspotter says:

        Skeeter, you’re absolutely correct. I’m not saying that white parents shouldn’t be extremely careful about about discussing racial issues with their children. They have to be. My point is simply that we have in fact reached the point where the last main avenue of cultural transmission, that of private conversations between parents and their children, has come under severe strain. The anti-whites have been incredibly successful.

        It’s also a great example that puts the lie to the libertarian notion that the racial degeneracy surrounding us is simply about free choice. It’s not free choice in a meaningful sense when one side is so suppressed that even white parents are afraid to make our case to their own children, in the privacy of their own home. I’ve found this to be a useful talking point when dealing with libertarian types, and wanted to share it.

      • Trainspotter says:

        I agree with you entirely. My purpose was not to criticize the parents, but to simply point out that this is what things have come to: self-censorship in private family conversations. Our opponents have, by creating an atmosphere of fear, successfully cut the last means of traditional cultural transmission available to us. They have been incredibly successful.

        In contrast, a healthy people require control of essentially all of the means of cultural transmission, from media to the church, from the university to the Rotary Club. Our enemy has severed us from all of these things. Now all of them either actively work against us, or have been more or less neutralized. In many ways, I’ve always seen this blog as an attempt to work around this relatively new reality.

        The reason I think this is worth bringing up is that it puts the lie to the libertarian/conservative argument that our decline as a people is simply due to the free choice of individual whites. One can hardly call our predicament a free choice in a meaningful sense when we can’t even make our case, when one side controls all of the levers of power and cultural transmission, and the other side is actively suppressed to the point where parents can’t even feel free to tell racial truths to their own children. This campaign against parents was already in full swing back when I was a kid.

        I’m sure some of you remember the ads, “Just ask my dad, he’ll tell you what’s really true.” Back then, we thought those spots were funny. Of course, the entire ad was premised on the idea that parents were actually talking to their kids about race. Back then, they still were. Not nearly so much now, and largely out of fear.

  12. Out of curiosity, what do y’all think about Tanstaafl/Age of Treason’s mate choice? How would you classify his children?

    • Freedom Cobra says:

      Tanstaafl is a tragic figure in my book. Liberated by the truth, yet forever barred from the ethnostate. There’s something very Faustian about it all. As a race we’ve always been on the edge bargaining with devils. Dancing with Jörmungandr above the abyss in pursuit of glory unseen, if you will.

      Now the real question: Will Taanstafl stick with us? His unique position makes an ideological 180 very appealing. Time will tell.

      • Matt Strictland says:

        If you’ll forgive a Bible reference Moses was bared from the promised land for sins too, its not exactly a new story.

        Folks like Tanstaafl and the countless part Jews, part Asians part Indio’s and so on that are culturally and functionally White is why we need several White ethnostates not just one.They deserve a place of their own as much as pure Whites do.

        Heck everyones desire for separation is an advantage to us. Why not work with Blacks, Mestizos and whoever else wants out of this mess we call a country? There are plenty of them after all and everyone of them that is working to a shared goal (mutual separation) is one less working for the Beast. With enough oomph and good timing It might be possible to do it peacefully and legally which would be a blessing, the less bloodshed, especially White bloodshed, and unnecessary fratricidal hate the better.

        What we should do is give the others some land and a temporary treaty and we keep our word till the day we take it back in honest open conflict if that is what we choose to do.

        In fact I feel confident enough to say that were it properly governed I’d feel fine in #2-#3 and perfectly happy there. I think given the circumstances I might choose it. It would remind me of where I grew up.

        Beyond that I think Ed the Department Head said nearly everything I could say.

      • mindweapon says:

        I think Tanstaafl will stick with us. There will be a place for him in the world.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        I don’t think we need to conquer other peoples. I follow a live and let live mentality. Dr. Johnson has rejected white imperialism and I believe the same. If whites are to be granted the right to live apart and free they need to grant this to others as well. YKW and leftists have a field day saying whites can’t have an ethnostate because they will use it invade Poland and conquer the world.

        If whites in an ethnostate found that they needed lebensraum they could just settle in other countries peaceably as immigrants and live apart socially as YKW, Amish, and Mormons do. Enough such people in a land and you can even alter its character substantially. Maybe they could try to colonize, caliform, or terraform other worlds too as HAC suggests in his novels.

  13. hnom says:

    Have to echo Anon 12:36 “if you have to pass a law, you’ve already lost”

    I’m very new to these topics so I hope people will be patient with my questions.

    I’m not entirely sure what the answer for the preservation question in the current environment is but a thorny issue for any ethno state seems to be that by its nature it requires semi totalitarian policies reaching into the most personal of decisions in order to preserve the most valued treasure it has as its foundation, its genes.

    Laws on marriage would necessarily restrict personal choice so as to preserve the original gene pool. The implication that the children don’t belong just to their parents but also to the state isn’t too hard to see. So what happens to the law breakers and will parents go along with it? Can we just assume that all member of the ethnostate will have uniform views?

    With regards to Tanstaafl, we have to define yet another issue. Will white genes be the only criteria for admittance to such a state or only a “prime factor” for consideration? Won’t adherence to the fourteen words mandate genetic screening?

    Trainspotter – I know a couple of Nordic girls who would take a latin lover over a fellow Aryan any day of the week. Not sure if they would marry them but they sure seem to have a strong preference for the Antonio’s. From what I gathered it seems as if a desire for exotic variety moreso than self hate is at their root. For those members of the ethnostate that have an urge for the exotic what is to be done? Will mere education suffice?

    I cant shake the feeling that for a WN state the issue of mating and breeding will be a priority and something reigning in sexual appetites would be the only way to preserve the state which brings about the question of whether or not its citizens will have to give up more of their personal liberty than a latin or asian ethno state let’s say who might be able to survive inter mixing easier due to their more dominant gene expression.

    • mindweapon says:

      Hnom,

      Anyone who doesn’t want to abide by the rules can leave the ethnostate.

      The Nordic girls that prefer Latin men are products of unserious modernity. They are the female equivalent of men that watch sports on TV. I’m pretty sure these sort of people are not going to be the norm in the long term, because resource depletion and environmental degradation is going to cull the population and make life a lot harder for the survivors.

    • AnalogMan says:

      If you have to pass a law, you’ve already lost.

      No. Laws will always be necessary, and miscegenation is only one form of anti-social behaviour that will have to be proscribed by law. Besides, law is one very important means of cultural transmission.

      An example that I have quoted before: When South Africa was in the process of committing suicide, I saw the writing on the wall and sent my daughters to study (and marry) in the USA. On arrival, they were horrified to find that Americans spit in the streets. In the old South Africa, before the fall of civilization, people just didh’t do that.

      The reason was simple. Tuberculosis is endemic in SA, and spitting is a health hazard, so it was banned by law. It took prosecutions to establish the behaviour, but once established, it persisted long after people forgot the original reason for the law. The behaviour was self-reinforcing. Spitting was just disgusting.

      Under Apartheid, miscegenation was also illegal – and disgusting. And yes, it took state repression to enforce it. Your race was registered at birth. If You were White, you were a full citizen. Non-Whites had a grim life. If you were so low-class as to indulge in interracial sex, the police would likely burst into your bedroom in the early hours, snapping photos for evidence. You would then serve time. Any mixed-race children were classified as Coloured, and had none of the rights reserved for Whites.

      Of course there wre genuine cases of interracial love. One prominent such case was a White policeman named Engelbrecht who fell in love with a Coloured girl. Unable to get permission to marry, they committed suicide.

      Even with such draconian laws, racial purity as envisioned by some here was impossible. Two separate studies in the 1960’s, using different data sets and methodologies, concluded that Afrikaners had about 7% non-white blood. Coloured people who were light enough to “pass for White” did so, and could get their racial classification changed.

      I mention these things to illustrate the point that there is no democratic way to establish and maintain an ethnostate indefinitely. Democracy got us into this mess, and is on the point of tipping over into a nightmare that you can’t comprehend. Trust me when I say that your future is South Africa, much, much sooner than you think, if you can’t pull a miracle out of the hat. You already have a black president, and have you noticed that his cabinet is also largely black? This has historically never been a good development. It wasn’t good for South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Congo, Haiti, ancient Egypt or any other place. It won’t be good for the USA. So, stiffen your spines and forget about doing this the Mr Nice Guy way.

      • Anon says:

        “Non-Whites had a grim life” – They had a choice about where to be, their newly liberated african nations, or in the last white nation on the continent. It obviously can’t have been that grim for them.

      • hnom says:

        “I mention these things to illustrate the point that there is no democratic way to establish and maintain an ethnostate indefinitely. Democracy got us into this mess, and is on the point of tipping over into a nightmare that you can’t comprehend.”

        This is only the case where no further underlying principle, such as religion or national mission narrative exists. Perhaps a compromise would be workable: If you wish to intermarry you lose White citizenship and for legal purposes adopt the citizenship of your partner. This would prevent suicides as the one you mentioned above.

        What do you make of Jacob Zuma’s singing Mshini Wami? Was that a wake up call to get out for those remaining or just majority gloating by then? Are you still in SA? How are your daughters perceiving the current changes? Thinking of another relocation?

        “They had a choice about where to be, their newly liberated african nations, or in the last white nation on the continent. It obviously can’t have been that grim for them.” Many of them were descendants of Boers who considered the land their own for many generations. I don’t lay the blame on them but on the Brits for putting them in that position and destroying the two Boer republics.

      • AnalogMan says:

        Anon: They had a choice about where to be … It obviously can’t have been that grim for them.

        Pardon me, but you really have no idea. I started out to write a catalogue of reasons why this is not true, but suffice to say that people don’t really have that many choices in life, and that the fact that others may be worse off doesn’t mean that you are well off. Life in Africa for the indigines really is grim.

        hnom: Therein lies the flaw in democracy. Who will define, interpret and enforce the narrative? Your founders tried to implement that with a constitution, which has ever since been routinely ignored when it didn’t suit the majority. So, anybody got a better idea?

        I’m still in SA, but with children scattered from one end of the former British empire to the other, I have more options than most. My children are anxious for me to leave here, and I will, soon. Decisions, decisions.

        Jacob Zuma is a clown, and I wouldn’t take his playing to the crowds too seriously.. He’s in it for the money, and he knows who has it. Remember, he only attended school for four years. His power doesn’t come from his superior mind, but from his hereditary position as a chief.

      • Trainspotter says:

        AnalogMan: “Even with such draconian laws, racial purity as envisioned by some here was impossible. Two separate studies in the 1960′s, using different data sets and methodologies, concluded that Afrikaners had about 7% non-white blood.”

        Unless and until we have accurate DNA testing, I’d be very skeptical about that 7 percent figure. This is especially true given that science is now harnessed in service of political correctness. Science that promotes the idea that “We’re all mixed anyway, so what’s the big whoop?” is encouraged. Science that promotes racial identity is discouraged. I think it’s fair to say that this has been, more or less, the rule since World War II.

        Yet I agree that, in multiracial societies like South Africa, some degree of mixing is inevitable. But, generally speaking, most whites don’t want to mix. We shouldn’t fall into the trap, created by anti-whites, that anti-miscegenation laws were holding huge multitudes of would be interracial lovers in check. I’m a Gen Xer, was a kid in the 70’s, and a high school and college student in the 80’s. Despite growing up in a metro area with a huge percentage of blacks, I don’t think I ever saw a white girl with a black male in my high school and college years. No anti-miscegenation laws were in force, though of course my state had them up until Loving. I only saw this process begin in the 90’s. Before that, the typical young white girl would have reacted with at least some disgust at the mere suggestion of getting involved with a black. That famous Molly Ringwald scene (can’t remember which movie off the top of my head, but very 80’s) captures it perfectly. And that movie was probably set in the Chicago suburbs, which is not exactly the Deep South.

        In any event, over time the mixing will happen. That’s one of a thousand reason why it is important to have an ethnostate, a true tribal homeland. Multiracial societies are unustainable and not worth whatever meager upsides they may offer.

        An true ethnostate need not be totalitiarian, but it will have to operate with a different approach than a state that is little more than a market and administrative zone. Personally, I’m a big advocate of resurrecting the concepts of ostracism and exile. A true community of shared purpose cannot exist so long as that community allows the detritus to build up. Sewage must flow out, not back in. That goes for nations as well. Those who wish to miscegenate will be free to do so – in a mixed community. They should not be allowed to impose their choices on the rest of us. I don’t think a true community can endure unless its malcontents are filtered out.

  14. Hereward Saxon says:

    “I know a couple of Nordic girls who would take a latin lover over a fellow Aryan any day of the week. Not sure if they would marry them but they sure seem to have a strong preference for the Antonio’s…Will mere education suffice?” Probably not, if this “exotic attraction” unnatural tendency is inherited. Good comment, hnom. Remember that intra-racial miscegenation is the precursor to inter-racial!

    • Ed the Department Head says:

      I think he means Latin American men. Some of these are Mediterranean Whites and others are mestizos and such. Do you want a new ethnostate devoid of Mediterranean Whites or Eastern Europeans or subracially mixed Whites? God Almighty, how many enemies do white nationalists actually want!

      • Trainspotter says:

        Ed, couldn’t reply above, so will do so here.

        Ed: “Your second post tonight is very good thoughtful stuff. I particularly like how you want to be peacefully make a white ethnostate whiter by employing technology.”

        Thank you. I’d like to emphasize, not that you’re suggesting otherwise, that the technology that could be employed would not be anything out of Dr. Frankenstein. Nothing Orwellian. Just making available something that is already widely used by the upper classes. The only rule would be that egg and sperm donors must be 100 percent European. I don’t see that as being controversial within the context of a white ethnostate.

        Of course, there are other things that could be done as well that have nothing to do with technology. But the take away is quite simple: have a reasonable starting point that is socially acceptable. (self-selection will also have a big impact – how many questionable types will even want to live in the new nation?). Then simply enact one or more peaceful, non-controversial policies that select in favor of European genes. Problem solved for everyone except a severe nutcase. Those whites that do in fact have some admixture will be able to take comfort that it will not increase, and will most likely disappear entirely from their descendents in fairly short order. No crazy scientists coming after you with calipers. lol

        I’d also like to respond to an earlier post of yours on a couple of issues. You seemed to take issue with my position that whites can’t express racial identity in a multiracial society, since obviously non-whites are doing so. My point is that, in historically white nations, we are the ones being displaced and, essentially, digested. Therefore our position is not analogous to the other races. We must be suppressed, they can be encouraged.

        Similarly, if Japan were targeted for this kind of demographic destruction, it would be the Japanese tribe that would have to be suppressed, demoralized, and ultimately digested. So it depends on who the target is. If we sought to do to Japan what is being done to us, we would need to rewrite Japanese history to suit us, propagandize that Japanese men are hopeless inbred buffoons, encourage Japanese girls to miscegenate (really wouldn’t matter with who, so long as they weren’t a Japanese male), etc. If they were allowed to maintain themselves racially and culturally, they might well react and boot us out. At the very least they would tend to discriminate against us, because after all it is their country. We must convince them that it is in fact not their country, and part of that is deconstructing their traditions and everything distinct about them. Eventually, swamped with non-Japanese immigrants and the results of massive miscegenation, the Japanese will cease to exist as a coherent, meaningful people.

        So in order for us to rise to the top in their society and permanently remove them as a threat, as opposed to simply living on sufferance and hoping they never boot us out, they must be weakened across the board. In time, if we are successful, WE will become the “real Japanese,” and the actual Japanese would be a hopeless and despised footnote in their own country – or what was formerly their country. Their few remaining sons degraded and detached, their remaining daughters whored out to non-Japanese. We would snicker and celebrate all of the “progress” that Japan has made.

        So again, the target HAS to be degraded in order for the invader to be truly successful. It’s not a matter of maybe, but of must. Conservatives can’t grasp this. Libertarians can’t grasp this. Only white nationalists get it. Oh, and our enemies. They get it too.

        As to the issue of places like southern Brazil, of course it is heartening to know that such pockets exist. But without power and sovereignty, how long will they exist? There are plenty of areas across the United States that, until just recently, were lilly white. No more. Not so long ago, almost all of Europe was entirely white. No more.

        So sure, there are still pockets of nice white areas. But are any getting whiter (at least at a regional scale)? Are there more or fewer of them with each passing year? Of course, we know the answers.

        If we achieve a white ethnostate in North America, some white Brazilians (white by our definition, not theirs) may want to come here. Better still, it will provide them encouragement and perhaps actual assistance to create another ethnostate in southern Brazil. But if we fail, my best guess is that within a generation or two, southern Brazil will have turned to racial mud, and if not, the white girls will be harvested by wealthy non-whites, which is probably already happening to a certain extent.

        Bottom line: there are still white areas on the planet, but the number and size of these places have shrunk dramatically in just a single generation. Without power and sovereignty, that trend will continue. When one considers the scale of destruction that has taken place just in the last generation, the life expectancy of any white region is probably quite short. Vanishingly short in historical terms. If we lose, I doubt any of significance will exist for all that long, except perhaps for harvesting purposes.

      • mindweapon says:

        So in order for us to rise to the top in their society and permanently remove them as a threat, as opposed to simply living on sufferance and hoping they never boot us out, they must be weakened across the board. In time, if we are successful, WE will become the “real Japanese,” and the actual Japanese would be a hopeless and despised footnote in their own country – or what was formerly their country. Their few remaining sons degraded and detached, their remaining daughters whored out to non-Japanese. We would snicker and celebrate all of the “progress” that Japan has made.

        Yep, this is why I have narrowed it down to the phrase “soft control.” So much of what is happening to us, is being done to us by ourselves. I have a blond cousin with a blond wife and they have had 2 children already. That’s the good news. The bad news is he’s a sports fanatic, and because of his worship of sports “heroes” he thinks Negroes are awesome. Thus he is a victim of soft control.

    • hnom says:

      What struck me is that it seems to be more than a passing fancy and not limited to just females. Many males usually go to Thailand for wives either because they cannot get a Nordic mate or because they detest their sense of entitlement while the liberated females just want to sample the buffet.

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  16. Matt Strictland says:

    For what its worth, I’d prefer to live in a type 2 or 3 ethnostate (did I just create a new meme BTW?) for reasons of familiarity and for the fact that I am an European Folkist as much as a racist. Mein Volk are Europeans all the way back as far as can be counted and that sacred to me. I don’t have to hate any peoples save those that hurt my people and I’ll take all the help I can to protect them especially here in the US where I live.

    Also as for the Latin Lover thats old hat, Google Rudolph Valentino (who being Italian was White but is best known for playing an Arab) This was a fantasy in many women back in Great Grannies day and back in the 50’s we had more than one song about Mexican lady lovelies for the gents as well, granted these had little Mestizo blood but these weren’t pure Nords either.

    I think its a product of fantasy since we Nordic tend to be cold fish

    Whatever. It needs to be kept to a minimum and zero in a type 1. On the whole even now almost all White prefer other Whites and so long as we can get the birth rate up (I have ideas that way for another post) it will even itself out. Worst case scenario, come 2050 there are hundreds of millions of us in the US — more than enough to rebuild. Our fight is nowhere near lost

    • hnom says:

      do you have your own blog or did you mean another post in this section?

    • hnom says:

      “As for conquering violence, I don’t imagine you are going to get too many whites anytime soon to go for this.”

      I couldnt reply up where you made this comment so i did so here. Wanted to ask what your economic model would be based upon. All societies require growth and if there is no lebensraum for upcoming generations you are stuck with another dilemma: that of limiting growth, both population and economic, to a self sustaining level which requires even more government management. I’m not advocating conquest as each generation will define its own interests but if i want to know what you had in mind when you made that comment. Were you envisioning a Japan like pre Commodore Perry era insular community? That would require a nation with natural barriers

      • Matt Strictland says:

        Societies do not require growth to thrive. In fact through the bulk of human history societies have been steady state. No reason that a hypothetical replacement state has to grow. It only has to produce enough wealth for the people in it and some surplus.

      • Ed the Department Head says:

        A state can engage in peaceful trade with any of its willing neighbors. Switzerland doesn’t blitzkrieg the neighbors and has done well for itself. If YKW and the lefttards were able to isolate a nation or series of nations they would have to try to practice as much autarky as possible. Germany and her allies did this well in the 1930s. South Africa and Rhodesia did a pretty good job in the face of stiff sanctions until SA betrayed Rhodesia and then committed suicide.

        Also, there are plenty of foreign powers who are not very pc and would probably trade with a white ethnostate or alternatively a nation-state like State 2 or 3. The East Asians don’t honestly strike me as having a fixation on political correctness. Plenty of Latin American republics traded with Germany and Italy in the 1930s through barter and would probably be open to trade with the aforementioned hypothetical state(s). Russia and Eastern Europe would trade if State 1 considered them white enough to befriend.

  17. Phil says:

    There is never going to be 7 different European ethno states in the USA. Why even waste time talking about such things.

    I’ve read about a group of Syrian Jews in the northeast who have rejected converts as far back as the 1930’s. They are a distinct genetic and cultural group within this multiracial, multicultural USA. So it is possible to be a separate group in the USA. The Amish and Hutterites have also stayed overwhelmingly German. There are black neighborhoods and churches all over the USA. There are chinese neighborhoods and churches in the USA.

    • hnom says:

      Besides religious communities can you cite any that have similar results? The main reason religious communities like the Amish remain isolated is because there is a high entry cost as you have to give up most modern comforts and submit to an authoritarian structure of roles for the rest of your life. I’m curious to see if a non religious alternative exists to tick off all boxes for preservation.

      • Phil says:

        The chinese, syrian jews, and blacks are all ethno-racial groups. The Chinese live in multiracial, multicultural New York City and San Francisco and have maintained their ethnicity and race. blacks have lived in cities all over the USA and have maintain their race. Syrian Jews( and other jews like hasidic) have maintained themselves as a distinct dna cluster.

        The problem for the Celtic and Germanic European-Americans is that many of them don’t see themselves as an ethno-race. Many Celtic and Germanic Americans have defined themselves, some for many generations, by their religion. They will see themselves, if they are protestants, as Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans, Church of Christ, Evangelicals, etc. Or they will define themselves as Roman Catholics, like writer E. Michael Jones.

        Many of the Southern Baptist preachers, for example, have no ethno-racial sense of themselves. They have spent their lives reading and studying some middle eastern tribe’s history and nationalistic propaganda, but they no nothing about the history of their own ethnicity. This is the biggest problem for Celtic and Germanic Americans. Their communities are organized around religion, and those religious leaders(Protestant and R. Catholic) have no ethnic and racial identity.

        The Chinese and Korean Protestants in the USA haven’t rejected their own ethnicity- they have their own Protestant churches all around the country.

      • hnom says:

        Is Christianity more of a hindrance to awareness then given that it prevents the breakthrough to awakening and ties them to worshipping the chosen ones?

    • Matt Strictland says:

      In the short term I agree, in the longer term. Its actually possible. The USSR was though eternal, the Reich figured it would last. So did Rome. We aren’t different .

  18. Hereward Saxon says:

    “Many Celtic and Germanic Americans have defined themselves, some for many generations, by their religion. They will see themselves, if they are protestants, as Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans, Church of Christ, Evangelicals, etc. Or they will define themselves as Roman Catholics….”

    But of course you’re talking history. Most CONTEMPORARY whites consider their religion (IF they have one) to extend globally and pan-racially far beyond their circle of friends and other adherents they know or could know.

    “This is the biggest problem for Celtic and Germanic Americans. Their communities are organized around religion, and those religious leaders (Protestant and R. Catholic) have no ethnic and racial identity.”

    I don’t see this. I see white communities organised around and identifying themselves by their common experiences of sports and other mass entertainment, big box store shopping, restaurant eating, medical care consumption — and in general: running the urban-suburban “rat race.” Religion where it really still exists in this materialistic society is not the main cause of lack of white racial and ethnic self-awareness.

    Yes, I agree that contemporary white religious leaders, who nearly all lack or deny racial and ethnic awareness, ARE a serious hindrance to their followers. But I hold that true religion ITSELF is completely beneficial, and the Old Testament especially is VERY strong on teaching race and ethnicity, miscegenation and racial, ethnic and even tribal purity and separation.

    • hnom says:

      Would comments about racial groups during informal talks or the second guessing of dating outside one’s race by one’s parents count for racial consciousness ? I’ve been witness to many such conversations spoken by people who sincerely believe that race is irrelevant, yet seek to make sure they preserve the status quo when it comes to children and friends. Sunday worship is still largely the most segregated hour in America.

      Saxon what’s your take on Paul’s “there’s neither Jew nor Gentile” approach? It’s either that or Miriam struck with leprosy by God for not liking Moses Black wife that are cited against racism.

    • Columnist says:

      Dual Seedline Christian Identity?

  19. Hereward Saxon says:

    Hnom, authentic Christianity has never been “Judeo-” and has never worshipped or even acknowledged any “Chosen People.”

    • hnom says:

      How do you then explain the Council of Jerusalem in Acts where both Gentile and Jewish Christians recognized each other? Doesn’t Paul acknowledge that the Chosen people have a place in God’s end time plan where they will be redeemed at the second coming? I have only been exposed to American Christianity so if you’re referring to something else i’m likely ignorant about it.

      • robert says:

        Lending credence to the biggest mindweapon of all, Christianity, is a category error you are unlikely to come back from. It hollowed out the Roman Empire, kept Europe from developing a scientific basis for nearly a thousand years, and is sufficiently self-contradictory to reduce to paralysis just about anyone who seeks to engage with its tenets. ‘Paul’ was a YKW, and the most influential infiltrator of a social movement that rejected YKW constructs.

  20. TabuLa Raza says:

    The “”elect” are considered the chosen

    • hnom says:

      Calvinist in the house? If you subscribe to replacement theology i doubt you’d be able to apply for membership in any American Christian churches.

  21. barb says:

    “We aren’t the Establishment. We have no Establishment.”

    You’re right, of course, MW. You are a first-rate thinker. We WNs have no power at present, that’s undeniably true.

    I do think, though, that, now, amongst ourselves in these discussions, it is beneficial to hash out what our positions ought to be vis a vis the Jewish Question, at the ready for the day we get power. I think it’s beneficial that we do this hashing now, that this hashing is not premature, for this reason:

    Right now, today, so often Jews come around demanding to know what our plans are should we get power, and before we even answer, they assume we are planning the worst they can imagine. Then they hysterically accuse us of actually planning the worst, and denounce us to all and sundry.
    Normal Whites who are not Jew-wise listen to this hysteria and generally assume the jews are accusing us in good faith, that these accusations pulled from the jewish imagination are really our true positions. So, many normal Whites recoil from WN ideas as some kind of diabolical evil, before we ever even get a chance to make our case to them.
    This cycle is certainly part of why WN is still fringe.

    Now, certainly a large portion of jews, for their own self-interested reason that they desire to keep the power they’ve got, are not persuadable. Nothing we tell *them* will bring them on board.

    BUT, IF we were to work out viable answers, now, to the questions about what we plan regarding Jews were we to set up our ethnostate, answers that are palatable to our own people, then when the hysterical accusations of the worst by the jews start up, if we have reasonable answers ready — answers that are likely to strike Whites as reasonable, that is — then our OWN people who are lurking are more likely to come on board with our ideas.
    They can then use taqqiya to undermine jewish power and influence, or do whatever they can in whichever ways they feel they are best able to advance our agenda.
    But first we have to bring them on board, and I don’t think that will happen until we develop reasonable answers to the jewish — and particularly the mischlings — question.

    • mindweapon says:

      BUT, IF we were to work out viable answers, now, to the questions about what we plan regarding Jews were we to set up our ethnostate, answers that are palatable to our own people, then when the hysterical accusations of the worst by the jews start up, if we have reasonable answers ready — answers that are likely to strike Whites as reasonable, that is — then our OWN people who are lurking are more likely to come on board with our ideas.
      They can then use taqqiya to undermine jewish power and influence, or do whatever they can in whichever ways they feel they are best able to advance our agenda.
      But first we have to bring them on board, and I don’t think that will happen until we develop reasonable answers to the jewish — and particularly the mischlings — question.

      Point taken, Barb. Generally I find it an irritating discussion because it is like an open wound that allows enemies to come in and say, “Mediterraneans aren’t white. Russians aren’t white. Irish aren’t white. blah blah blah.”

      Since we are talking about “what we’ll do if we take power.” I will provide the European Americans United idea.

      I’ll start with an analogy. Convicted felons cannot own guns or vote. A high percentage of blacks are convicted felons. Therefore, we basically are able to deprive blacks of voting and of 2nd amendment rights out of proportion to whites by setting laws a certain way.

      So what do we tell them we will do if we take power? Here’s what to tell them, here’s our Party Line. Personally, it doens’t go far enough for me, but then again I’m a fanatic. But I can see the rationality of the following Party Line:

      We won’t set up a Nuremberg system or make anyone wear yellow stars or any of that.

      We will make laws that punish white collar crime with hard labor – working on hand tool farms or in mines. There will be no race or religion laws, but there will be laws that tend to punish white collar criminals more harshly than they are punished now. Criminal and tax and tariff laws be set up to minimize the power of bankers, lawyers, entertainers, and professors, and to reward the productive more than the unproductive. By law, a person who produces value should have more status and political clout than a social parasite. I don’t know if that’s workable, but that doens’t matter so much. It’s a way to answer this fantasy question.

      It’s silly to me to even talk about this because I don’t envision myself taking power, as much as I might like to. I envision things happening that throws the current gang out of power, but I don’t know what happens after that. The only thing I know is that it will be out of our control, and out of their control too. Things will emerge of their own, beyond the control of all of us. that’s reality.

    • What about the PALM F laws? Not sure if that’s the right term, but I remember reading somewhere about a proposal to ban Jews from PALM F professions (i.e. Politics, Academia, Law, Media and Finance).

    • Matt Strictland says:

      I call this the Anne Frank problem. Anti YKW or not, a great many people found her plight that a 13 y/o kid who did nothing to anybody to be sympathetic and even more than a few WN’s like myself would not cooperate in ethnic cleansing of that sort. Some would actively resist.

      I feel even stronger about some of my non Jew raised mischling friends,, they qualify as White enough in my book as do a lot of of other people with x amount of something else (1/4 Sioux , the “Spaniard” etc) Them I’d protect as other Whites.

      It why I think there needs to be at least a broad ethnostate and a narrow one. The only problem with this is that I suspect type 2 and 3 ethnostates will be a lot bigger. I doubt there are more than 5, maybe 10 million tops super purists willing to live that way– this is about the population of say Austria and Finland, not that large.

      The type two and three ethnostates might make as much as 60 million or more. Thats going to grate at least till the type 1’s can play population catch up.

      In addition while I am not worried about International retaliation a great deal I do remind everyone that YKW has nukes that can reach Europe and I’d rather not provoke a spite attack. on Europe. These are people so vindictive that they required orders from Yahweh to chill out and in most cases wouldn’t listen!

      • Columnist says:

        YKW nukes would hit large cities, and would kill many Muslims. This is also the reason Al-Qaeda hasn’t done any funny stuff in Europe. Europe doesn’t only have to fear YKW nukes, but also Muslim oil. In fact, I think YKW will use Islamophobic sentiment to gain greater control of Nationalist movements, and Europe in general. If European Nationalists disavow the Anti-Semitism of their American equivalents, it is unlikely YKW will use nukes. Does anyone know why YKW hasn’t used its nukes yet on the Muslim states? Anyway, introducing a new religion to ease the tensions in the Middle-East is a great way to gain control of both YKW nukes and Muslim oil.

      • barb says:

        “a few WN’s like myself would not cooperate in ethnic cleansing of that sort”

        Which is why Ezra Pound’s idea so very interesting:

        “Mullins’ NEW HISTORY of the JEWS
        By Eustace Mullins

        In all of recorded history, there was only one civilization which the Jews could not destroy. Because of this, they have given it the silent treatment. Few American college graduates with a Ph.D. degree could tell you what the Byzantine Empire was.

        It was the Empire of East Rome, set up by Roman leaders after the Jews had destroyed Rome. This empire functioned in Constantinople for twelve hundred years, the longest duration of any empire in the history of the world.

        Throughout the history of Byzantium, as it was known, by imperial edict, no Jew was allowed to hold any post in the Empire, nor was he allowed to educate the young. The Byzantine Empire finally fell to the Turks after twelve centuries of prosperity, and the Jews have attempted to wipe out all traces of its history.

        Yet its edicts against the Jews were not cruel; in fact, the Jews lived unmolested and prosperously in the empire throughout its history, but here alone the vicious cycle of host and parasite did not take place.

        It was a Christian civilization, and the Jews were not able to exercise any influence. Nor did the Orthodox priests bewilder their congregations with any vicious lies about Christ being a Jew.

        No wonder the Jews want to eradicate the memory of such a culture.

        It was Ezra Pound who launched upon a study of Byzantine civilization, and who reminded the world of this happily non-Jewish land.

        From the Byzantines, Pound derived his no-violent formula for controlling the Jews.

        “The answer to the Jewish problem is simple,” he said.

        “Keep them out of banking, out of education, out of government.”

        And this is how simple it is.

        There is no need to kill the Jews. In fact, every pogrom in history has played into their hands, and has in many instances been cleverly instigated by them.

        Get the Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community.

        Get the Jews out of education and they can not pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines.

        Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the nation.”

        *********And I’d add, media.***************

    • Trainspotter says:

      Barb: “BUT, IF we were to work out viable answers, now, to the questions about what we plan regarding Jews were we to set up our ethnostate, answers that are palatable to our own people, then when the hysterical accusations of the worst by the jews start up, if we have reasonable answers ready — answers that are likely to strike Whites as reasonable, that is — then our OWN people who are lurking are more likely to come on board with our ideas.”

      Very good point. The key is your emphasis on “our own people.” They are our target market, not our enemies. It is our own people that we must convince. That’s why I roll my eyes when I hear a stormtrooper wannabe saying, “It doesn’t matter if we abandon swastikas and 1930’s paraphenalia, our enemies will never treat us with respect. Therefore we’ll keep the Swastika.”

      Well, no duh as concerns our enemies. Of course they won’t treat us with respect. But our enemies are not who we are trying to persuade. Instead, we need to reach our target market, those people who are most open to supporting us. We build from there. What matters is what works best with them. What is “effective” is whatever is most effective with them.

      As to racial classifications, I’ll point out that other societies have tackled this. Various southern states (and some non-southern states as well) came up with definitions that were broadly socially acceptable. Racial sanity in those states did not collapse because of those definitions, but because of outside pressure and a broader egalitarian attack that denied ANY racial distinctions whatsoever.

      The national socialists addressed this issue on the Jewish question. Today, Israel addresses these questions. Presumably Indian tribes do as well. In other words, it’s not an inherently freaky, weird issue. It’s a normal issue.

      The point is simply that reasonable definitions that are socially acceptable are entirely possible. Acceptable to whom? Our target market. Normal white people with racially sane instincts.

      When it comes up from a white acting in good faith, I might say something similar to this:

      ” Look, 99 percent of the time you know who is white and who isn’t. You know what we mean by the term. The government doesn’t have a problem figuring out who is white and who isn’t, especially when it’s time to offer affirmative action, set asides, or some other form of discrimination. What we want is a homeland for our people, white people of European descent, just as many other peoples have homelands. Anybody who a normal, reasonable person would consider white would be welcome in the white homeland. Yes, it probably is the case that once the homeland is established, a particular line will have to be drawn. That line will be drawn so that any person that a reasonable person would consider white would almost certainly qualify. There aren’t going to be any shocks. Other peoples have to make these sorts of decisions, and we will too.”

      Might even hit him with a few softballs: “Have you ever applied for or qualified for affirmative action? No? Good. Have you ever identified yourself on a census form, job or school application as non-white or mixed? No? Good. Well, given that you look white, identify as white, and have never identified yourself as mixed or non-white, congratulations, your application to the white homeland is ACCEPTED. Try to control yourself.”

      This should be treated as obvious stuff, no big deal. Our enemies try to make it appear sinister and evil when we do it, yet they do it all the time.

      If they bring up the Jewish question in particular, I’d simply point out that Israel already exists as a Jewish homeland.

      But here’s the thing: I talk to people all the time in real life. These subjects almost never come up. Our target market consists of sane whites with racially healthy instincts. Those people know who is white and who isn’t. Admittedly, some may be a bit confused on the Jewish issue. Pointing out the purpose of Israel usually resolves that.

      Now, it’s true that we have to debate this issue online, and we’ll get the inevitable troll who will play the “What is white?” game. That person is not our target market. Also, any white that is too dumb to understand what we mean by white is pretty useless to us.

      Yes, we will have to decide who is white, just as the Japanese decide who is Japanese, and the Jews decide who is Jewish. Our practical approach is reasonable, and was given to us by David Lane. We’ve got to make sure that every white out there who a reasonable person would consider white, knows that we’re not going to be hunting him down and harming him or his family. We’ve done an absolutely terrible job at this, to the point that a lot of whites with brown eyes probably believe that we mean them harm. It’s insane.

      We can’t come across as nuts that are secretly itching to harm everyone who is not a perfect Nordic, yet that is how our enemies have portrayed us – to our own target market.

      We must make our market understand that, assuming that you have always identified as white, and any normal person would consider you white, and you have not availed yourself of the non-white gravy train (Elizabeth Warren), that you are welcome.

      As I’ve said elsewhere, we can use completely unobtrusive means to gradually improve our gene pool once we have our own nation. But again, unobtrusively and without harming or acting in bad faith toward any white. I don’t think it’s even necessary to get into that sort of thing as a general rule (though I certainly will if asked), not because we’re hiding anything, but simply because it distracts from the main point: any normal white can be a member in good standing of our proposed community, at least as far as race is concerned. Traitors and enemies are a different matter.

  22. TabuLa Raza says:

    hnom I just googled on it. I RARELY think about religious filth

  23. Attila says:

    Just had an interesting discussion with a Russian Armenian at an outdoor café —- this guy was as slippery as any YKW on the main issues. The irony of this- there was a very loud Israeli guy barking away on a cellphone just a few feet away. Oy oy oy ——–the strange world we live in.

  24. Attila says:

    The expulsion tactic will not work with educated minorities — they will simply regroup elsewhere and take revenge by educated means via finance, etc…..—Isabella and Ferdinand tried that out in 1492 and it only gave the advantage to Spain’s enemies.

  25. Columnist says:

    “robert says:
    June 22, 2012 at 4:28 am
    Lending credence to the biggest mindweapon of all, Christianity, is a category error you are unlikely to come back from.”

    Again, very true. Every moral value a Christian invents, will be used against him. If he invents the Golden Rule, HE has to abide by the Golden Rule. If he abolishes slavery, HE will always be accused of slavery and pay for it. If he invents democracy, human rights and religious freedom, HE will have to give them to e.g. the Muslim invader. Note how Christians consistently use violence against heretics and pagans, in Europe, America and Africa, but turn his other cheek against the Jew and the Muslim. After WWII, Nazis were denied democratic rights because they were seen as enemies of democracy, but Muslims got democratic rights in spite of them loudly criticisizing democracy. This should be reversed. National-Socialism is superior to Islam because National-Socialism has euthanasia. Every moral rule a Cultural “Marxist” invents, should be used against the Cultural “Marxist”. If he complains about slavery, then only Jewish and Muslim slavery is wrong. If he says that “everyone does it, isn’t a moral argument”, then it only applies to non-Whites.

  26. Robert in Arabia says:

    There is no ethnostate from which Tanstaafl is barred.
    Living where I do, I know a large number of western women who are married quite happily to Muslim men, and i know a large number of western men who are quite happily married to non-western women.
    For Muslims, religious and secular law is quite clear. Muslim men can marry non-Muslim women, but Muslim women may not marry non-Muslim men.
    If there was not an obviously coordinated campaign to destroy my white kith and kin in the Unitred States, I would not be visiting sites like this one.
    I am reluctant to call anyone an American who does not have ancestors who fought in the Indian Wars. Naturally, all American indians qualify.
    I would be happier with Russell Means in the White House than Mitt Romney or the man from nowhere.

  27. Attila@yahoo.com says:

    I just don’t understand why Muslims are constantly being maligned on many men’s sites -when they are the only ones who aren’t giving in to the fem-totalitarians and the New World Disorder types. The chance of the fem-meme catching under a Sharia-influenced environment is ZERO in all four main schools (madhabs). I’ve known many Muslims from many countries and except for some exceptiopns (Wahabi types) – they are lovely family people- like the Balkan/Eastern Europeans. Even the most lenient school of Sharia is light-years away from any feminist-type infection. It truly is a culture war and knocking down those who are fighting on another front is just a way of weaking yourself. This does not mean that I am in favor of a Thirld-World UK-style immigration invasion.

    • FN says:

      Attila@yahoo.com @ June 24, 2012 at 5:30 pm
      This is not a question of non-White immigration, this is a question of YKW attacking a theology that stands in its way, in the same sense that old time Christianity did, so the YKW perverted Christianity and today you have the burlesque of Judeo-Christianity. Islam is Jared Taylor’s #1 target, at least it seems so from his AR site, also on SF you will see Islam trashed incessantly, even David Duke despaired of setting the record straight after HE was attacked as a “Mudslime lover”

      An awful lot of these “men’s” sites are run by YKW, so now you know why Islam is trashed. Everything must run its course, even in the Arab world and in Iran etc. there are weak sisters who say they are Muslim but they yearn for the Judeo Fantasy land of the USA. This is Darwinism in action, you can watch the weak, the herd going over the cliff. There is a virile paradigm in genuine Islam, as opposed to the “storehouse religion” type one sees all too commonly, and one merely needs to ask the Spetsnaz about the dudes in Chechnya.
      He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the message but men of understanding.

    • Columnist says:

      http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=49535

      Read the comment of Iftikhar Ahmad. Often Islam and NWO work fist in glove. In Europe, Muslim immigrants nearly always vote for the Left, although these parties are in favor of e.g. gay marriage, and feminist oppression of non-Muslim men. This despite of mainstream Conservative parties like the CDA in the Netherlands being quite friendly of Islam. The main problem the MRM has with feminism is that it leads to an unequal distribution of women. Muslim polygamy has the problem. Also, Muslims are more demanding of male converts, than of “born” Muslims, while we all know that you have to convert in order to marry Muslim women.

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