Liberals like being in the Establishment, don’t like being questioned, Part 2:

Nancy Pelosi, hypocrite and elitist. But then I repeat myself.

Peter Schiff on the minimum wage and on the ambush interview of Pelosi.

I used to believe in a high minimum wage law, but not any more. 12 year old white kids could be doing jobs that they give to foreigners.

Schools and businesses should be accomodating local children to do local jobs 10 hours a week, such as changing sheets and general cleaning and washing dishes, for 10 hours a week for whatever the employer wnats to pay — 2 or 3 bucks an hour, when the kids are still young and eager and curious.

This country deprived my daugher of summer jobs that she desperately needed from at least 12. There are probably productive and needed jobs, albeit at a very low wage, for 8 and 9 year olds. 10 hours a week, no big deal. If every kid has a 10 hour a week job, then how many foreigners do you need working there, getting on welfare, and sending home money.

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  1. Good idea. It just occurred to me that the coddling is to a pretty ridiculous point when McDonald’s workers want $15 an hour!

    Somewhere along the line people got the idea that workers had to get a “living wage” even if they did low skill jobs and there were plenty of low skilled workers to replace them. Ludicrous. No one owes anyone a living.

    If immigrants don’t want to work low paying jobs, I guess they’d better stay in their country of origin. If White people don’t want low paying jobs, they’d better plan to get educated or learn a trade. It’s a cruel world. Plan accordingly.

    • Dan Poole says:

      Got to disagree with you Maureen. This argument right here:

      “Somewhere along the line people got the idea that workers had to get a “living wage” even if they did low skill jobs and there were plenty of low skilled workers to replace them. Ludicrous. No one owes anyone a living.”

      …sounds like something Rush Limbaugh or any other greedy capitalist would say. Yes, actually, we ARE owed a living. We work hard, show up every day faithfully, and do our duty. In return, we expect to able to provide for ourselves and our families.

      I also don’t really buy the whole “become an entrepreneur” argument. To be an entrepreneur is to be a leader, and the far majority of people, Whites included, aren’t born to lead – least not beyond their own families, where the man is the natural leader of the household. It would be nice if everyone was an entrepreneur, but that’s not how the world works. In the real world, the far majority of Whites are workers, and the government should see to it that Whites are provided for by mandating policies such as a living wage. I don’t care if that’s an “entitlement mentality.” There are very few Whites who are truly lazy bums. Obama is not technically wrong when he says that those who work hard should be provided for. It’s the racial socialism that’s toxic.

      • Dan Poole says:

        Addendum: Not only do we expect to able to provide for ourselves and our families, but we’ll shake down any damn corporation or business by force if necessary. Like you said Maureen, it’s a cruel world. If some greedy filthy white plutocrat is making millions while working and middle class White people struggle to get by, then screw him. Screw the Donnie Smith’s of the world. Screw their mythological “private property rights.” If you’re so much of a greedy pig that you don’t want to pay $12 an hour when you make $5 million in annual profits, then us normal Whites will make it happen.

      • mindweapon says:

        If corporations were not getting special privileges and so much corporate welfare, the libertarian position would be tenable. But given that corporations take massive amounts of taxpayer money and corporate welfare and subsidies and special tax breaks and rights to pollute that the rest of us do not get, then we have every right and reason to demand a living wage from the corporations.

        But true liberty would be better. No special privileges for corporations.

        You know what bothers the crap out of me is how they don’t let teenagers get jobs, and give those jobs to Mexicans. They should be allowed to hire 12 year olds for 3 bucks an hour to do housekeeping at motels, non-heavey-equipment farmwork, restaurant work.

        At any rate, this society is too dysfunctional to go on much longer, I think. The yellow schoolbuses, the conventional jobs, conventional life of private car ownership and taking our material existence for granted, the vacations to Bahamas, the pro sports millionaires — all these things shall pass away. And good riddance!

      • Mr. Rational says:

        Yes, actually, we ARE owed a living. We work hard, show up every day faithfully, and do our duty. In return, we expect to able to provide for ourselves and our families.

        No, nobody and nothing owes you a living.  Fast-food jobs add little value, and much of the work can be done by machines.  A wage that will support a family makes it profitable to replace your arrogant a** with robots, and that’s exactly what’s going to happen wherever such laws pass.

        You are going to go from an entry-level job that pays like crap but helps you develop habits to earn more, to no job at a theoretical “living wage”.  All you’ll collect is a reality check.  Good luck buying groceries or paying the rent with that.

    • Dan Poole says:

      Mr. Rational,

      “No, nobody and nothing owes you a living.”

      Steve Moore of the Wall Street Journal, is that you?

      “Fast-food jobs add little value”

      Says who? The market? Did you know Wal Mart is the nations No.1 employer at 3.8 million jobs? Fast food companies employ millions more. And we haven’t gotten to the other retail stores or to gas stations. The demand for jobs with “little value” sure is high. I thought high demand = high value?

      Oh yeah, that’s right, supply also determines values, and lookie there: The labor force has had a massive overflow of supply ever since 1965 when a certain immigration act was passed, and when women decided being a mother and a wife was “oppressive.” But lets ignore those factors and bash our own people for supposedly being “lazy” and “entitled.” I’ve heard that shit from talk radio and Fox News for years. Talking about the work habits of Blacks and Whites as if they’re interchangeable, or as if Mexicans work harder then Whites.

      “and much of the work can be done by machines.”

      Leave it to the Los Angeles Times to debunk this non-sense:

      If a small growth in the minimum wage is enough to move an industry to automation, it is likely that automation was coming in short order anyway. Technological progress is inevitable and further automation unavoidable. If raising the minimum wage leads to productivity gains through investment in automation, so be it. In the meantime, we need to reward American workers for their efforts.

      http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/10/opinion/la-oe-stern-camden-why-we-should-raise-the-minimum-20130310

      That bolded statement is the entire point of economic leftists in the pro-White movement like me.

      “A wage that will support a family makes it profitable to replace your arrogant a** with robots,”

      Right, so if I want to support my family then I’m “arrogant.” Uh-huh.

      Can I ask a brutally honest question: Why the hell do you care more about “what’s profitable” then about providing for White families and White children? If profit is the real basis of your economic philosophy, then it is morally bankrupt, utterly discredited, and above all, anti-white.

      “You are going to go from an entry-level job that pays like crap but helps you develop habits”

      GTFO! That’s the same kind of horseshit that paid opposition such as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’ Reilly, and Gary McNamara of Red Eye Radio love to spew whenever anyone in the White working class or White middle class calls out the destruction of their livelihood directly caused by failed “free market” policies such as free trade.

      Hate to say it, but Ari Rabin-Havt is right when he said the other day:

      Limbaugh and O’Reilly are two white men blessed with amazing communications ability. Neither was born wealthy but they were both able to parlay their talents, combined with some luck, into the upper economic echelons. From those heights they look down at the bottom opposing the concept that employers should pay a living wage and at the same time opposing food stamps, public housing, and other programs that would help bridge the gap for low-income workers. They offer no policy solutions other than if you’re not making enough to get by, get another job.

      From a position of extreme privilege, they point to their lowly beginnings and ask workers to survive on the same incomes they did. If only those who went out on strike yesterday were fortunate enough to receive the modern-day equivalent of the wages they did.

      http://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/30/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-did/195681

      It’s deeply unfortunate that the labor movement in this country has tied itself to the Universal Brotherhood of Man and a program of White dispossession, because the labor movement did an outstanding job in the early 20th century of securing a real standard of living for White families and White children.

      “All you’ll collect is a reality check. Good luck buying groceries or paying the rent with that.”

      1. Only a greedy glutinous capitalist swine would seriously argue that Whites in the working class must choose between living like slaves or not living at all.

      2. The current minimum wage barely buys groceries and literally CAN’T pay the rent. Your argument is invalid.

      ……………..

      Mindweapon, I must ask you a question: You said somewhere before that a living wage, pension, health insurance, etc. made Whites too complacent. While there’s no doubt that too much success usually breeds complacency and indifference, what makes you think Whites today in 2013 are held back by too much economic success? Because i don’t see how the hard fought achievements of the White-dominated labor movement in the early 20th century hurt our race over the long run. And in any case, many of those achievements have been undone over the last 30 years. The minimum wage doesn’t even keep up with inflation! $15 an hour may be unreasonable. $10 an hour isn’t.

      • mindweapon says:

        Dan,

        This whole discussion is going to become academic rather than realistic soon enough, I believe. The economic system is failing.

        But as far as increased minimum wage, we should be publicly in favor of it in order to build solidarity with the white working class, but in reality, non-whites would capture those benefits more than whites. If McDonalds was paying 20 an hour tomorrow, they would say, “Oh! Affirmative action! 365 Black!” McDonalds employment would be next ot impossible for whites.

        Whites need to focus on being entrepreneurs or high-skilled high paid labor sellers like Tower Techs or oil roughnecks. Use that high paid job to save up for 2 years for startup capital for a small business, or for a buy in to an existing business that is already profitable and functioning well. We need to own convenience stores, apartment buildings, ride sharing, and small farms, and create a localized economy.

        My dream business? A food storehouse for the natural diet, for people who want to greatly reduce their intake of Industrial Agricutlure corn/wheat/soybeans and cafo produced meat, — a local storehouse and private wholesale of food produced at local farms. Farmers grow a bunch of food, try to sell it at farmers merkets, and tons and tons of it gets wasted that doesn’t sell. Also hobby gardeners produce a lto of surplus that gets wasted. Capture that “waste” and use some of it as food directly and some of it as animal feed to trade for eggs and meat.

        Just in my town I’m confident that probably 10,000 pounds is wasted every year. Lots of people do big gardens, and would do bigger ones if they could give away the food to a storehouse. Kind of like th French story stone soup. Help the villagers share with each other better, and everyone is richer.

      • Mr. Rational says:

        Can I ask a brutally honest question: Why the hell do you care more about “what’s profitable” then about providing for White families and White children?

        Do you have any concept of economics?  Ultimately, society can only consume what it produces.  If you want such jobs to pay $15/hour, you will quickly have a situation where $15/hour won’t buy food, clothing and shelter for a family.  There was a time when $5/hour was a lot of money and would support a family comfortably.  $15 is just a number.  What matters is what is produced; the more productive you are, the more there is to consume.

        White people can learn how to build and maintain robots.  Most mud people can’t.  Wasting the talents of a White person on a sandwich assembly line is a loss to White society.  The worth of such jobs isn’t in their direct products, but in the habits they inculcate and the insights they give.  You are supposed to get those and move on.  If you are as dumb or lazy as a mud person and want to stay there forever, you have no business expecting to have a family because you are a failure.  The dumb, lazy mud people in the USA shouldn’t have families either (that is a failure of policy).

        That’s the same kind of horseshit that paid opposition such as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’ Reilly, and Gary McNamara of Red Eye Radio love to spew whenever anyone in the White working class or White middle class calls out the destruction of their livelihood directly caused by failed “free market” policies such as free trade.

        I have a 4-year STEM degree, but I’m suffering from “free market” policies myself.  I am not suffering from decreased productivity, but from low-wage immigrants taking work I would otherwise be doing.  Closing the border would fix that problem.  If those jobs could be offshored, they would be.  Closing the border brings them back to US citizens like me.

        Closing the border would put upward pressure on wages and also push productivity, like robots.  If you are mediocre, maybe you could get $12/hour cleaning the kitchens and the robots.  After a part-time stint doing that to learn the ropes, a bit of education in robot repair could get you a $25 an hour job doing routine maintenance like replacing wear parts on the end effectors.  When you learn how to troubleshoot, $50/hour in the field.  Mechanical and electronic design would pay about the same, but for 40 hours a week at a nice desk.

        THAT is how White society can push most people into the middle class, not by paying high wages for jobs idiots can do.

        If you don’t like the low-wage situation, the first thing you have to do is close the border.  If your Congressman or Senators voted for the shamnesty “reform” bill, see if you can’t support someone to challenge them in the next primary.  Make sure this bill dies.

      • Dan Poole says:

        Mr. Rational,

        “Do you have any concept of economics?”

        Yes actually. I was an orthodox capitalist myself not too long ago. I know capitalist orthodoxy inside and out. I water-carried that gospel for several years of my life. Walter Williams used to be my favorite writer. i thought his articles on economics were outstanding, particularly an article he once wrote in defense of profits.

        “If you want such jobs to pay $15/hour, you will quickly have a situation where $15/hour won’t buy food, clothing and shelter for a family.”

        Again, $15 an hour may be too much, but the minimum wage isn’t even keeping up with inflation. As the Huffington Post said:

        Raising the minimum wage wouldn’t cripple job growth and hurt businesses like some conservative groups have argued, according to a new study. To the contrary, it could pump money into the economy and reduce turnover in low-wage positions, the researchers found.

        […]

        “A lot of people say we can’t increase the minimum wage during recessions because it’ll have this big negative effect,” said Allegretto, whose study was published in the journal Industrial Relations. “We didn’t find that — in general, or when there were recessions.”

        Researchers, who focused specifically on teen employment, looked at every federal and state minimum-wage raise over the last twenty years, including during the recession from 2007 to 2009, and found that the effects of wage raises on job growth and unemployment didn’t change with the business cycle. Allegretto said a lot of the benefits of higher minimum wages tend to be overlooked — like higher morale and productivity, and less time spent searching for workers and training them.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/25/minimum-wage-job-growth_n_853479.html

        “Wasting the talents of a White person on a sandwich assembly line is a loss to White society.”

        1. That’s not a valid argument for giving working class Whites slave wages that can barely buy the groceries and CAN’T pay the rent (to say nothing of health insurance).

        2. As Sam Dickson said on the November 10th, 2012 edition of the Political Cesspool show, not all Whites can pick ourselves up by our own bootstraps, not all Whites can learn high-tech computer jobs or other STEM jobs, and not all Whites have “productive” talents. We Whites are not gods. We’re not superhuman. We NEED each others help sometimes.

        3. As David Lane said in Precept 22: In the final analysis, a race or specie is not judged superior or inferior by its accomplishments, but by its will and ability to survive.

        You’re too obsessed with economic accomplishments, Mr. Rational. You think that because working on a sandwich assembly isn’t an economic accomplishment, that Whites who work those jobs deserve the wages they get. Bullshit! White working class men do a better job serving their families than most “economically accomplished” whites do, particularly the “accomplished” whites in the 1%. Many of those “accomplished” whites don’t even have children. They’re too busy shuffling through one slut after another to worry about no damn children. I like the Iron Man movies, but Tony Stark’s line from 2:50 to 3:05…

        … is a pretty good example of the ethos of “economically accomplished” white men.

        “The worth of such jobs isn’t in their direct products, but in the habits they inculcate and the insights they give. You are supposed to get those and move on.”

        That’s not how the world works, and that’s not how an economy works. In the real world, many Whites aren’t capable of attaining STEM jobs or other “productive” jobs. Your denial of this leads you to sneer at Whites who are less fortunate than you, and to us, it is sickening. It don’t matter what you think we are or aren’t owed. We’ll take it by force if necessary. Private property “rights” never trump the welfare of White families and White children.

        “If you are as dumb or lazy as a mud person and want to stay there forever, you have no business expecting to have a family because you are a failure.

        Nobody in the White working class is “lazy.” And while we may be “dumb” to a guy like you who rests his identity on his material accomplishments, see if we give a shit.

        “THAT is how White society can push most people into the middle class, not by paying high wages for jobs idiots can do.”

        Why must it be one or the other? A working class, middle class, and upper class are natural to any economy. Not that there’s anything wrong with growing the middle class, but the fact is many Whites don’t have the skills to reach the middle class through their ingenuity alone. Even those who have the skills and the ingenuity often need to know the right person or get a little luck to secure a middle class job.

        We’re in agreement on immigration if nothing else.

      • mindweapon says:

        Nobody in the White working class is “lazy.”

        Dan,

        I have to beg to differ with you there. See a lot of it myself. Of course the government is pandering to it, by providing Social Security Disability, which creates a vacuum of American job seekers, and this vacuum is filled by foreigners.

        We need to get rid of governmetn safety nets AND immigrants at the same time.

      • Mr. Rational says:

        That’s not a valid argument for giving working class Whites slave wages that can barely buy the groceries and CAN’T pay the rent

        We don’t expect retards to earn a living wage no matter how White they are.  I expect adult Whites to be able to handle more important work than assembling Whoppers at the BK lounge.  Fast-food jobs (other than “owner”) are stepping stones.  If you step up to franchise owner, congratulations, you’ve made it.

        Robotics jobs are adult jobs.  If you can maintain and troubleshoot a fast-food robot, you’ve got skills that can be applied to industrial robots or medical robots.  Instead of importing racially alien wage-slave nurses, Japan is building robots to help with the care of the elderly.  Who has the interests of their own race at heart?

        not all Whites can pick ourselves up by our own bootstraps, not all Whites can learn high-tech computer jobs or other STEM jobs

        Then not all Whites should have families.  That is how the English nation became great:  it had centuries of downward social mobility.  The bottom classes reproduced well below replacement, and the average got better.  The options are (a) having the bottom tiers leave the gene pool, or (b) Idiocracy.  Note that the mud people will drop out much faster than Whites if they are subject to the same selective regime.

        We Whites are not gods. We’re not superhuman. We NEED each others help sometimes.

        There are a great many who should help their more-fit relations have children, rather than themselves.

        You’re too obsessed with economic accomplishments, Mr. Rational.

        No, I’m concerned about intelligence and capability and drive.  Someone whose ambitions end at slapping things onto a bun and wrapping it in foil-faced paper doesn’t have the “will and ability” to survive that we need.

        In the real world, many Whites aren’t capable of attaining STEM jobs or other “productive” jobs. Your denial of this leads you to sneer at Whites who are less fortunate than you, and to us, it is sickening.

        How do you think Whites became what they are?  A big part of it was Old Man Winter.  All those who failed to survive the test of building tight houses and barns, growing and storing enough food, cutting and storing enough fuel, and not chimping out during the long, cold, dark winters in close quarters selected against the traits we despise in ghetto Blacks.

        I don’t cry over 10-20% of the population failing to be successful enough for parenthood.  I expect it.  That is the only way to prevent the accumulation of deleterous traits and ultimate Idiocracy.  (In the case of Blacks it should probably be 80%, given the last 50 years of dysgenic breeding.)

        It don’t matter what you think we are or aren’t owed. We’ll take it by force if necessary.

        Then you are no better than the Blacks, who demand what they cannot create.  When they destroy the creators… curtains for them.

        Nobody in the White working class is “lazy.”

        If your ambition ends at slapping sandwiches together for the lunch and dinner rushes, you are mentally lazy.  An auto mechanic needs thinking skills.  Even many janitorial jobs require equipment-handling skills.  But fast food?  You should be capable of more than that.  Climb off the top of that ladder onto another, let someone else grab the bottom rung.  That’s what it’s for.

        the fact is many Whites don’t have the skills to reach the middle class through their ingenuity alone. Even those who have the skills and the ingenuity often need to know the right person or get a little luck to secure a middle class job.

        The people who haven’t the skills or ingenuity and can’t make their own luck should postpone having a family.  The traits which lead to doing this sooner should spread more widely, those which lead to doing it late or not at all should drop out.  Sorry, that’s evolution.

      • Dan Poole says:

        “We don’t expect retards to earn a living wage no matter how White they are”

        Whites who work fast food jobs aren’t retards. Many of them are college graduates, and some of them even graduated from law school. The unemployment rate for recent college grads is almost 50%! 1/3 of college grads under 30 still live with their parents. These Whites aren’t retards or lazy mutts. Why are you so condescending to them?

        “I expect adult Whites to be able to handle more important work than assembling Whoppers at the BK lounge.”

        It’s not a matter of whether they can handle more important work. Most of them can, or else they wouldn’t be college graduates. (Say what you will about college, but if you’re White you can’t get away with having less than 8th grade reading skills like the blacks do).

        It’s a matter of two things:

        1. High-skilled middle class jobs NOT BEING AVAILABLE to all Whites by the very nature of scarcity (to say nothing of massive non-white immigration)

        2. Many Whites not having the natural skills or the luck to attain those middle class jobs

        You seem to have this utopian mindset where high-skilled middle class jobs are available to any White person with the will power to get them (non-white immigration notwithstanding). It would be nice if that was the case, but it ISN’T! It’s NEVER been like that! There always have been and always will be white collar jobs and blue collar jobs. There is something out there for every White, and as responsible, civilized people who care for the health and well-being of our own race, we have a moral obligation to make sure that their basic necessities are provided for. We’re not all superheroes. If every White is Neitzche’s Übermensch, than what’s remarkable about being an Ubermensch? Just because many Whites are “not Übermensch” doesn’t mean they have undesirable recessive defects, nor does it mean they should be left to starve.

        ”Instead of importing racially alien wage-slave nurses, Japan is building robots to help with the care of the elderly. Who has the interests of their own race at heart?”

        Japan is a copy cat nation – just like every East Asian nation. And Japan’s birthrate is what, 1.2? You really do have the mindset of Tony Stark. Who cares about more White babies and healthy, secure White families as long as the (childless) ubermensch among us are making robots? (The Iron Man suit is technically a robot, especially in Iron Man 3).

        ”Then not all Whites should have families.

        So only Whites blessed with the natural skills to learn high-tech computer jobs or other STEM jobs should have children? Only the ubermensch among us should have kids?

        Fuck that. Normal White people of all skills and classes should fuck like minks, raise rugrats and live happily ever after. White people weren’t created to play with their toy robots.

        ”Note that the mud people will drop out much faster than Whites if they are subject to the same selective regime.”

        It’s not a matter of getting ahead of the non-whites. They’ve always been a majority of the worlds population and always will be. It’s a matter of securing the existence of our people and a future for White children.

        ”There are a great many who should help their more-fit relations have children, rather than themselves.”

        And here Mosin Nagant was accusing me on the Occidental Dissent of wanting to “Lord it over” White people. Mosin, if you’re reading this, than you’re seeing me argue with a guy who really does want to Lord it over us unskilled White trash.

        ”No, I’m concerned about intelligence and capability and drive.”

        To rephrase James Kirkpatrick: Those who must see their race as the most accomplished actually hate their race, because they love power and status more than their own people. Of course, such a stance is also self-defeating because in the real world, no existing race of people can actually live up to the Neitzchean ubermensch standards.

        You need a dose of humility, Mr. Rational.

        ”Someone whose ambitions end at slapping things onto a bun and wrapping it in foil-faced paper doesn’t have the “will and ability” to survive that we need.”

        I’ve never met a White who’s ambition is to be a burger flipper. The White race doesn’t lack for ambition even in its most complacent state. Hundreds of millions of deracinated Whites wake up every day and go to work at least 8 hours per day to provide for themselves and their families. Some Whites are better at this than others. But we are not a lazy or stupid race. If you think we are because most of us don’t meet your ubermensch ideal, than you deserve the contempt that you get from the general White population.

        ” How do you think Whites became what they are?”

        God created us this way, and natural culling made us that much better. But you don’t seem to believe in God, so whatever.

        ”I don’t cry over 10-20% of the population failing to be successful enough for parenthood.”

        But you’re falsely assuming that White fast food workers are natural failures. Most of the time, circumstances put them there. Do you think Whites over 20 WANT to work at a fast food restaurant? Hell no! But they do anyway because either the middle class jobs AREN’T THERE or because they don’t have the natural skills or the luck to ACQUIRE those jobs. Even if you have a college degree, you don’t just walk into a company in your field and get a middle class job. You can have a sterling resume, and they’ll reject you because there just isn’t space available. Sure yeah, you can try again later, but the bills don’t wait for that. Nor does your stomach.

        Do you understand what I’m saying to you?

        ”I expect it. That is the only way to prevent the accumulation of deleterous traits and ultimate Idiocracy”

        You can try to kill off all the sheep you want, but don’t whine when they go Black Sheep on your ass.

        ”Then you are no better than the Blacks, who demand what they cannot create”

        1. Don’t care. Blacks are superior to Whites when it comes to racial solidarity. If Whites had half the racial solidarity blacks did we’d probably have secured our existence by now.

        2. Wal Mart, McDonalds, and other “creators” who makes millions in profits won’t be destroyed just because they are required to pay a wage that keeps up with inflation. As long as those companies are in the black at the end of the day, that’s all that matters. If MOAR profits is their top concern, and if they pay slave wages in order to make MOAR profits, they can fuck themselves. Actually, no. On second thought, we normal Whites will do the fucking.

        ” Even many janitorial jobs require equipment-handling skills. But fast food? You should be capable of more than that.”

        Ahh, I think I know what’s really going on here: You’re one of those types who proudly declares he wouldn’t be caught dead at a Taco Bell. You probably have a paleocon diet too. Want some advice? Of course you don’t. Here it is:

        “There is, of course, a correlation between income and IQ as well as certain virtues and tastes. But given the perilous state of white societies world wide, we can say with confidence that these are not the kinds of intelligence and traits of character that White Nationalists should particularly prize. The excellences of bourgeois man have brought our race to the edge of oblivion. Our salvation will come only by recovering the virtues of the sages, warriors, and bards of our pre-modern ancestors. And those traits can be found in all segments of existing society.”

        http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/05/premature-populism/

        At least Greg Johnson has enough humbleness to understand the plight of the White working class.

        ”The people who haven’t the skills or ingenuity and can’t make their own luck should postpone having a family.”

        Which is to say that only the privileged few should have children. You’re not arguing against idiocracy. You’re making a defense of elitism for elitisms sake. Have fun creating a race of Kryptonians. Try not to blow your planet up.

        “The traits which lead to doing this sooner should spread more widely, those which lead to doing it late or not at all should drop out. Sorry, that’s evolution.

        You barked up the wrong tree there. From an evolutionary perspective, there’s nothing immoral or evil about the ongoing program of White GeNOcide. Survival of the fittest, amirite? Funny thing: It was the “accomplished” White elites who thought they could make a deal with the devil and get away with it. Karma sure is a bitch.

      • Mr. Rational says:

        Whites who work fast food jobs aren’t retards.

        What difference does it make?  They are still low-productivity jobs.  You will not fix the problem of underemployment by trying to force up wages; you will instead replace it with UNemployment.

        These Whites aren’t retards or lazy mutts. Why are you so condescending to them?

        I will condescend to anyone who fails to recognize that the solution to the problem of college grads (with worthwhile degrees, not the myriad flavors of Marxist studies) being unable to find better work than fast-food jobs is not to try to pay middle-class wages to fast-food workers.  The solution is to open the former career pathways which those grads used to follow.  Anything else just makes more and bigger problems.

        Here are some ways to fix the REAL problem:
        1.  Eliminate affirmative action and diversity hiring mandates, and “disparate impact” law.  This will cut all of the diversicrat/compliance deadwood out of personnel departments, eliminating a bunch of overhead.  This lets businesses pay workers to do real work that makes profits.  With the reduced overhead, they can hire the college grads.
        2.  Get out of the WTO and other free-trade treaties.  Slap 20% tariffs on imports to move offshored work back to the USA.  US factories need workers, some of them college educated.  Also tax imported services.

        If you succeed in jacking McDonald’s wages up to $15/hour, what you’ll get is “Roboburger”:  a shipping-container sized kiosk which is half cooler and half robot kitchen, where you order from a touch screen, pay by debit card and get your food through a slot.  Someone will come by once a day to bring food and change out the dirty grill surfaces and robot attachments, washing them in a central facility.  One driver, one dishwasher and a couple of bread and veggie handlers will be able to service dozens of Roboburger kiosks.  Everyone else goes from a $8/hour job to no job.

        I am all for getting rid of the jobs held by illegal aliens.  I don’t think that eliminating the “farm team” aspect of fast food jobs worked by teenagers is a good thing, unless we come up with something better to replace it with.

        2. Many Whites not having the natural skills or the luck to attain those middle class jobs

        The factor of luck goes away if labor is in short supply, but people without skills that used to be taken for granted either need to develop them or accept their own failure.  Whining about it is as tedious as the endless repetitions of “da turrible legacy ob da slabery” excuses put forth by a certain demographic.  Rewarding people who can’t or won’t develop those skills just lets them pass their own fecklessness down to another generation.

        You seem to have this utopian mindset where high-skilled middle class jobs are available to any White person with the will power to get them

        I know they’re not.  I just recognize that wrong-headed “solutions” will fail, every time.

        Japan is a copy cat nation – just like every East Asian nation. And Japan’s birthrate is what, 1.2?

        Robotizing jobs that nobody else is robotizing is leading.  The USA should be following.

        The people of Japan will still be Japanese after their population goes back down to what the islands can support.  The young women will have time to be mothers, because they won’t be stuck in nursing homes seeing to every need of their grandparents and great-grandparents.  They will not have the problems already besetting the USA because of “cheap labor”.

        Who cares about more White babies and healthy, secure White families as long as the (childless) ubermensch among us are making robots?

        Healthy, happy White babies need parents who are doctors, teachers, engineers, chemists, firefighters, plumbers and such.  If you have smart-enough people sticking to fast-food jobs because of the pay, you deplete the ranks of people needed for those jobs that really need doing.

        Seriously, $15/hour for fast food is economic insanity of the sort that brought down the Roman empire.

        Mosin, if you’re reading this, than you’re seeing me argue with a guy who really does want to Lord it over us unskilled White trash.

        I’m saying that you should aspire to be much more than that.  You write much too well to be a dummy, but if you were someone with a room-temperature IQ as some personal ads I’ve read suggest, the bulk of Whites should lord it over you.  If “übermensch” to you is the top 80%, you deserve to feel inferior.

        I’ve never met a White who’s ambition is to be a burger flipper.

        Then there’s no need to pay burger-flippers $15/hour.  Treat the illness, not the symptoms.

        But you’re falsely assuming that White fast food workers are natural failures. Most of the time, circumstances put them there.

        The solution is not to make dead-end jobs pay enough that they won’t move on when circumstances change.  There are real, fixable causes out there.  I’ve listed a couple.  The great part about Mickey D’s paying so badly is that you can afford to quit to become an activist.

        Do you understand what I’m saying to you?

        Yes.  YOU do not understand ME.  You are as misguided as doctors who prescribed bleeding as a cure for malaria.

        Which is to say that only the privileged few should have children.

        You are really good at putting words in people’s mouths, but it won’t work.  And the answer is NO, it is to say that if you have a PERSONAL deficiency, the solution is to fix it or work around it.  If there is a SYSTEMIC problem, the solution is to fix THAT instead of creating other problems purporting to be “solutions”.  And $15 for burger-flippers, my obtuse friend, is a whole raft of problems just waiting to be unleashed.

        From an evolutionary perspective, there’s nothing immoral or evil about the ongoing program of White GeNOcide.

        I already gave you the solutions to that.  Eliminate affirmative action, “diversity” and “disparate impact”.  You would do exactly nothing about them.  Who has White interests at the forefront of their proposals?  Not you.

      • Dan Poole says:

        The more this argument goes on the more I see the irreconcilable philosophical differences we have. I’ll highlight those differences as I go along, and this will be my last response.

        “What difference does it make? They are still low-productivity jobs.”

        The difference it makes is that you think White fast food workers are retards when in fact they are probably normal people who work there because they HAVE to. Just like Rush Limbaugh and other capitalist pigs, you have no heart for them.

        ”You will not fix the problem of underemployment by trying to force up wages; you will instead replace it with UNemployment.

        Again, $15 an hour may be unreasonable. Raising the minimum wage to keep up with inflation is NOT unreasonable.

        ”I will condescend to anyone who fails to recognize that the solution to the problem of college grads…being unable to find better work than fast-food jobs is not to try to pay middle-class wages to fast-food workers.

        Time out. Even if they were paid $15 an hour, that would still be well short of the median wage of $48,000. They aren’t demanding a middle class wage. They are demanding a LIVING wage – you know, enough money to pay for the basic necessities. They’d still be well within the working class. Maybe lower middle class at best. Why don’t you want White fast food workers to be able to pay for the basic necessities? Your superiority complex is reminiscent of Limbaugh, O’Reilly, and all the other arrogant, glutinous trash in the 1%.

        ”The solution is to open the former career pathways which those grads used to follow”

        I don’t disagree. What you’re ignoring is that sometimes White people HAVE to take these jobs. That was true in the heyday of the 50s and remains true today.

        ”If you succeed in jacking McDonald’s wages up to $15/hour, what you’ll get is “Roboburger”

        I’ve addressed the automation argument already. You still haven’t offered a moral justification for why normal, hard-working White Americans in the “low-productivity” jobs shouldn’t be rewarded for their efforts with a living wage. You can make all the economic wonkery arguments you want, but its just that: Economic wonkery. Spewing economic wonkery doesn’t make you pro-White, it makes you Paul Ryan.

        ”The factor of luck goes away if labor is in short supply”

        Um, no. Have you ever heard the saying, “it’s not what you know, it’s who you know?” That’s the kind of luck I’m talking about. Networking and making connections goes just as far If not farther than having a college degree. The kind of lucky connections you get from being in the right place at the right time never goes away no matter how short the labor supply is. Unlike you, I believe in helping Whites who didn’t get lucky. It goes without saying that I don’t believe in helping those who won’t help themselves (i.e, Whites who are lazy and truly don’t have ambition).

        ”but people without skills that used to be taken for granted either need to develop them or accept their own failure.”

        White fast food workers are not inherent “failures” no matter how much you think they are. They deserve to be rewarded for their efforts. Smile at a White fast food worker the next time you see one, particularly if she’s a pretty college girl.

        ”Whining about it is as tedious as the endless repetitions of “da turrible legacy ob da slabery” excuses put forth by a certain demographic.”

        Right, so the White fast food workers who demand a living wage (regardless of whether $15 is too high or not) are the same as blacks who use slavery to justify reparations from White people (including the fast food workers).Uh-huh. Sure. Last I checked, White fast food workers don’t even have EBT cards.

        ”Rewarding people who can’t or won’t develop those skills just lets them pass their own fecklessness down to another generation.

        When the “accomplished” Whites who build robots for a living start having kids – hell, when the Madison Grants of the world start having kids – then you can talk. Until then:

        ”The people of Japan will still be Japanese after their population goes back down to what the islands can support.

        Now there’s one of our fundamental differences. I never have and never will buy into the “overpopulated earth” garbage after Paul Ehlrich’s prediction that England would be gone by 2001 blew up in his face. As a Protestant Christian, I believe in Geneis 1:28:

        “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

        More White babies plz.

        http://tinyurl.com/n3up9uw

        ”The young women will have time to be mothers, because they won’t be stuck in nursing homes seeing to every need of their grandparents and great-grandparents.”

        That’s what retirement plans are for. And Social Security. (although the later won’t work in a corrupt government like this one).

        ”Healthy, happy White babies need parents who are doctors, teachers, engineers, chemists, firefighters, plumbers and such.”

        No. They need parents (preferably just the dad) who can at least provide basic necessities. To get those necessities, you need a living wage. Not a middle class wage, but a living wage. All those jobs you mention benefit society at large, but in the context of providing for your children, they’re just means to an end. That end is enough money to pay for the necessities. You reject all this because you have this bizarre vision of a super race of Whites. It would be nice if we were a super race, but that’s not the end goal. Nor should it be.

        ”If you have smart-enough people sticking to fast-food jobs because of the pay, you deplete the ranks of people needed for those jobs that really need doing.”

        If a better job is available, Whites will take it. The grass is always greener on the other side, remember? It doesn’t make sense for you to believe that if White fast food workers are paid a living wage, that they won’t want to move up the ladder. When you make enough money to provide for the basic necessities, you can then search for something bigger and better instead of slaving away over 50 hours per week and barely surviving.

        ” if you were someone with a room-temperature IQ as some personal ads I’ve read suggest, the bulk of Whites should lord it over you. If “übermensch” to you is the top 80%, you deserve to feel inferior.”

        There’s another fundamental disagreement. Proverbs 14:31: Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.

        I just got done arguing on Occidental Dissent with a guy who seems to reject superiority and inferiority within the White race. You and I both know the score on racial differences. But you seem to think superiority implies some mystical right to oppress the inferiors. That is an utter crock of shit that caused a lot of otherwise normal Whites to go ape shit in the France after a famous queen said “let them eat bread.” When the inferior Whites ravage and devour the “accomplished” Whites who are busy playing with their toy robots, they’re not realty inferior anymore now are they? Heed Hipster Racists words below. What we can’t accomplish with our minds we’ll accomplish with our brute strength if necessary. If this makes us like blacks or browns, sobeit. Will power baby.

        ”Then there’s no need to pay burger-flippers $15/hour”

        Maybe not $15, but there IS a need to pay them a living wage. To reject this is heartless and cruel.

        ”The great part about Mickey D’s paying so badly is that you can afford to quit to become an activist.”>/>

        That’s nice. So why haven’t millions of Whites done so already? Oh yeah, that’s right: Because activism of the sort you and I stand for doesn’t fill your stomach or your wife’s stomach or your childrens stomach. Golden Dawn gets this. Its why they set up food shops and won a ton of support helping their people. Hezbollah did the same thing in Lebanon.

        ” it is to say that if you have a PERSONAL deficiency, the solution is to fix it or work around it”

        Pay them enough to keep themselves and their families alive and let them worry about the rest. You don’t want to pay them enough because, um, “me no like fast food” or some pretentious bullshit.

        ”I already gave you the solutions to (White genocide). Eliminate affirmative action, “diversity” and “disparate impact”

        Now THAT’s addressing the symptoms if I ever saw it. And you missed my point: If you’re gonna have the attitude of “sorry, that’s evolution,” than you have to own it. Everyone here can see that you can’t and won’t own it precisely because it strips you of your moral authority against White genocide.

        ” Eliminate affirmative action, “diversity” and “disparate impact. You would do exactly nothing about them.””

        I support every one of your policy prescriptions in regards to those things plus immigration plus tariffs. The difference between you and I is that I believe in helping normal, hard-working Whites who don’t have exceptional skills and who are short on their luck. You don’t because you’re too busy trying to create a super race of Kryptonians. Whatever man.

      • mindweapon says:

        Dan Poole,

        You are a cornucopianist.

        I got a pop quiz for you. Don’t google. Just answer these questions and tell me how many you got right.

        1. What is the price (within a 5 dollar range) of a barrel of oil today?

        2. How many gallons of oil in a barrel?

        3. How many barrels of oil does the USA use per day?

        4. How many energy slaves would you need working for you to replace the average work done for the average American by fossil fuels?

        5. In what fundamental ways does shale drilling differ from old fashioned, Beverly Hillbillies type oil pumping?

        6. How many calories of food are produced per calorie of oil?

        Copy paste the questions and put your answers below.

      • Mr. Rational says:

        Due to its own length and the length of this subthread, I’ve taken my reply to Dan Poole down to the first indent level at the bottom of the page; you’ll find it here.

  2. I can’t remember the last time I saw a kid cutting grass. That was one of the starter jobs for kids when I was growing up. Just as well, the parents would probably get arrested for child endangerment…

    “Terry, could you call the gaurds?” Classic.

    • ckorzeniowski says:

      Loads of people hire Mexicans to do their grass, because they just have to have it exquisitely manicured with zero turns and diagonal lines. Or if they do it themselves, they use a ride on mower. If you’ve got kids, why not make them do it?

  3. Tom Bowie says:

    Mindweapon; I tend to agree with you this may be a topic in part that sorts itself out in more ways than one.

    I’m as you know a self described Barbarian and make no bones of it. I didn’t much like the comment that stirred it all up but held my piece as it likely sounds much worse to me than it was intended.

    Dan Poole: keep the peace when you can I know full well your anger at such things, I very much do. It’s up to us normal folk to keep the peace for our descendants sake.

    Mr. Rational: I ask you to act as your name implies and can the name calling,

    I don’t guess anybody does owe me anything and I fairly much expect that. When I was a young fellow I had the opportunity to go to a university/college by taking government money. I couldn’t do it, the money was not theirs to spend nor would I participate in taking another persons money in that way. While I was as yet to be awakened such things still don’t come easy.

    Perhaps some will think my ethics foolish but I’m not in this struggle to foster a mirror image of the current parasitic one.

    • Dan Poole says:

      Thanks Tom. In real life I’m no rabble rouser. It’s just that I’m disgusted by the false rhetoric of “free market capitalism,” and I like to take out my frustration on the internet.

      Cheers

      • Mosin Nagant says:

        Very good comments, Dan.

      • The reality is, the way things currently are going, it really will be survival of the fittest. Sometimes being the “fittest” may be those like Mexicans who are taking advantage of a situation-some of them obtain 2 or 3 IDs so they can collect benefits AND work. They live in overcrowded housing so they can save money. They have lots of children at our expense. If you have a job any Mexican could do, you may want to employ some of their survival tactics. Now, the Mexicans may lose in the end if the economy implodes but still, I think we can learn from their scrappiness. I’m sure earlier Europeans to this country employed some of them.

        I’m from a working class family myself and I’m proud that my parents were/are (my dad has passed) such decent hardworking people but they could never have today what they obtained financially on the jobs they had.

      • mindweapon says:

        Yep, we do need to use the survival methods and scams of immigrants. For sure. And their mindweapons too.

      • Tom Bowie says:

        Dan; I’m rather sure you’re far less of a rabble rouser than I am if truth be told.

        Sometime back I walked up to a Cop sitting in his car and introduced myself as the local revolutionary at large and proceeded to launch into my talking points. After he got over his initial shock at somebody having such gall, we had a nice conversation. I only tell this to illustrate my point as he called me Mr. Bowie and, I’d not told him my name.

        I guess if the local police know who you are and you don’t have a criminal history, being called a rabble rouser is a polite way of putting it.

  4. *employed some of their methods.

  5. Capitalists have zero racial solidarity and contempt for the lower classes. They would replace every last white burger flipper with a mestizo for an extra $0.000002 cents of profit.

    What’s going to happen, and since Greg Johnson was quoted, I’ll credit him with saying this first: the feral white boys with no families and no economic opportunities are going to go wild boy on the elites, including violence, sabotage, vandalism, rape and murder. Right now they are satisfied with video games and porn, but those types of things only last for a generation.

    The capitalists will sell us the rope they will be hanged with.

    Remember, feral white boys can be your best friend, or your worst enemy. The most destructive war in history was WWII, a civil war between whites.

    The capitalists, the 1%, are playing a very dangerous game. As Brezy said recently, the masses are waking up, becoming politically active, and the globalists are no longer hidden from sight.

    Interesting times, my friends.

    • Oh, and to be clear. A white burger flipper isn’t defined by his job. The white burger flipper almost always does something else with his free time – the burger flipping is just to get zogbux. Check out a white burger flipper’s garage and you’ll often find he’s doing something much more interesting than manufacturing a GMO phood unit.

      We’re only a few generations into the industrial age, and just one generation into the internet age. Lots of people haven’t caught up yet. But that is going to happen, sooner or later. “Jobs” are just a social construct. For most of human history people didn’t have “jobs.”

      When people learn to cooperate without zogbux, the whole ball game will change. Because, after all, you can’t eat a zogbux.

      I can’t remember which South American country it was, but at some point the lower classes just took over the factories and started working them themselves. Appropriation.

      Conservatards, and ideological fanatics dedicated to their particular abstraction, whether it’s capitalism or “family values,” are worse for us than our racial enemies. There are two types of ruling classes: aristocrats who rule by violence, and priests who rule by lies. When people stop believing the lie, they turn to violence.

      The elites can “Go Galt” all they want and entertain each other in the mountains of Colorado, up until the masses find them. Then what?

    • Tom Bowie says:

      You’re right Hipster Racist.

      As a Barbarian I have a skill set that just kind of gives me an edge; savagery.

      I’ve seen those who fear the hordes of savage non-Whites in such a situation but I’d use it to my advantage. My dogs have to eat even if there’s no dog food at the store.

      Not that most folks would think it of me like that as I’m a kindly, polite, little old man who has a pair of rescued special need dogs taken in because it was me or… well nobody else would likely want them. (My wife even thinks I’m a bit of a nut because I catch non-poisonous spiders and take them outside rather than squash them.) As much a the average person fears non-White savagery, non-Whites who’ve seen it, fear Whites acting savagely far more and if push comes to shove I can get dirty.

      Not that I have anything against the invading hordes, it is those 1% you talk about that I have the real problem with. I’m given to recall that video of the skinny White kid and his leap and stomp, and I keep thinking he was aware of the camera so he played nicer than he would have liked.

      Savagery is a skill that many can learn I’ll happily teach savagery to the White folks around the area that have the ability to learn it, not everybody has the ability to learn it if civilized behavior and/or White guilt are too deeply ingrained.

  6. Tom Bowie says:

    Good points Maureen about survival skills being situational.

    I know a fellow from New York who keeps tabs on the illegals and he told me something. When the Twin Towers got hit there was a sudden shortage of Mexicans at the hardware store looking to be day laborers for close to two weeks. Like the commercial said “Make a run for the border” and they did thinking the US was under attack.

    I’ve since looked back over some of the early clean-up pictures. In the early pictures Mexicans are harder to find than Waldo.

  7. Mr. Rational says:

    Note:  This comment is very long, so I forgive in advance those who say “TL;DR”.  And I am not pulling punches.

    Dan Poole absolutely refuses to get it even when he’s hit over the head repeatedly:

    The difference it makes is that you think White fast food workers are retards

    For the third or fourth time, NO.  There are the people who take low-productivity jobs because it’s all they can do (underskilled and retards), because it’s all they want (the lazy), or because it’s all they can get (the underemployed).  Only ONE of these four groups is retarded.  If you could read for comprehension, you would not be stuck on this error.

    If this is the best you can do intellectually, YOU are going to be one of the unproductive.  No wonder you want $15/hour for burger-flipping; you are afraid that’s where you’re going to wind up.

    you have no heart for them.

    To you, “having a heart for them” = “paying a grossly excessive wage which will result in even the fast-food jobs evaporating before their eyes”.  Again, despite several repetitions you remain stuck on stupid.  The question of WHY there are not enough jobs for Whites with (meaningful) college degrees is one you not only won’t ask, you refuse to think about it even when it’s put to you directly.  You go right back to arguing based on a mis-reading.  Any more of this and I’m going to have to class you as a troll.

    You say you have a heart for these people, but your “solution” will eventually leave them worse off than before (this is a typical libtard failing).  It is YOU who ultimately have no heart, because you refuse to use your brain to make sure you’re doing the right thing.

    Incidentally, we got a lot of these disastrous policies because the opinion-makers put “having a heart” for Blacks above the welfare of White people.  If you don’t have compassion fatigue yet, you are too insulated from the consequences to have a worthwhile opinion.

    They are demanding a LIVING wage – you know, enough money to pay for the basic necessities.

    If you demand more compensation for a job than its productivity merits, the job will disappear.  The UAW learned this the hard way.  Without the industry-wide lock-in the UAW enjoyed, it will happen in years or even months rather than the decades it took Detroit to fail.

    If line work in fast food is all you can do, you have a choice between (a) a job at a sub-living wage and (b) no job.  These jobs are for people getting their feet wet in the job market, not sustaining a family.  They are training for real life.  You can’t change this.  The world allows several choices for helping the underemployed working in fast food.  What you want is not one of them.  Do that, and the jobs will disappear.  Or do you really want “a living wage with no jobs”?

    What you’re ignoring is that sometimes White people HAVE to take these jobs.

    Turnover is expensive, so employers will instead work to hire people who are just smart enough to handle those jobs and will stay on for years.  There goes the stopgap job for the underemployed.  How many times does it have to be explained to you that what you want will leave people worse off?  What is wrong with you, that you don’t understand yet?

    The fix is to get rid of the other distortions and discriminations which leave White people unable to get good jobs.  This list includes:
    (a) Affirmative Action quotas, which limit White employment.
    (b) Diversity hiring, ditto (replacing White citizens with immigrants).
    (c) “Disparate impact” law, which is why the college degree has become the essential employment credential in the first place.
    (d) Lawsuits over all of the above, making it safer to hire overseas than in the USA.
    (e) H series visas and immigration in general (legal and illegal).

    But these things are abstract.  They relate to the problem in non-trivial ways.  They will fix the problem gradually over years, the same way the problem developed gradually over years.  You cannot wrap your mind around it, just as you can’t wrap your mind around the reasons a “living wage” for fast food jobs will make the jobs go away.

    Ultimately, people like you are the problem.  Even when the problem and its logical connections are laid out for you explicitly, you cannot change your tune.  Points (a), (b) and (c) above were themselves purported to fix various problems, and wound up breaking things instead.  All you will do is break things worse.

    Is that your goal?  Are you an Alinskyite Marxist, trying to bring capitalism down?  That fits the facts.

    You still haven’t offered a moral justification

    Leftard thinking.  There was no “moral justification” for Black people not being hired at the same rate as Whites, so we got “disparate impact” and “affirmative action”.  Black people being less employable because they were less productive and caused more trouble was deemed morally suspect, a “hate fact”.  So what did employers do?  They did the only thing they could, by farming out intelligence testing to higher education.  Now someone has to spend several years out of the workforce and take on a pile of student loans to get a job which really only requires high-school skills, because tests for those skills show “disparate impact” so employers aren’t allowed to use them.

    Want to know one of the consequences of this?  White college grads trying to pay back student loans from jobs as fry cooks, baristas and waiting tables.  Know how you can break things worse?  Demand ridiculous wages for lots of those jobs, so even those jobs go away.

    The only thing that is “morally justified” is reversing the mistakes which broke the system in the first place.  The rest will have to work out by itself.  If you demand that we make worse mistakes instead of fixing the mistakes of the past, YOU are the one with the moral deficiency.  Regardless of your intent, if you hurt people you deserve the blame.

    You can make all the economic wonkery arguments you want, but its just that: Economic wonkery.

    Tell it to the UAW.

    Have you ever heard the saying, “it’s not what you know, it’s who you know?” That’s the kind of luck I’m talking about.

    If there is a shortage in your skill area, people will go looking for you.  That kept me fairly well-compensated for about 15 years, going over half the country.  I didn’t have to know anybody, recruiters came to me.

    Get rid of the labor glut and that problem disappears.

    That’s what retirement plans are for. And Social Security.

    Both of which are alternatives to having kids to support you in your old age.  They are not solutions, they are part of the problem.  Social Security and Medicaid won’t hire good nursing home help if there’s nobody good to hire.  The trend in the USA and Britain is to hire NAMs who do things like abusing the residents.  Robots won’t do that.  Japan’s solution is smarter than ours.

    All those jobs you mention benefit society at large, but in the context of providing for your children, they’re just means to an end. That end is enough money to pay for the necessities.

    Yet despite me pointing out that you can’t eat money, and that for the “necessities” to be purchased someone has to create them, coming down to productivity as the essential element… you simply Do Not Get It.  These things are not created by White man juju, they are created by work.  Your blindness to this reeks of Blackness.

    You reject all this because you have this bizarre vision of a super race of Whites.

    I have a vision of the USA circa 1950, when White people did all that stuff and it worked.  If you think that’s “bizarre”, it shows how distorted your world-view has become and how little you know about even recent history.

    Proverbs 14:31: Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.

    If trying to fix the problems which prevent lots of people from being fully productive and properly rewarded is “oppression”, you have a Marxist definition thereof.  Your entire proposal is essentially Marxist, “to each according to his need”.

    It is not kind to allow the poor to wallow in dysfunction.  It’s not kind to encourage them to breed, either.  We can fix things which block many of the money-poor from being productive and earning a good living, and we should.  People who cannot be productive enough to earn a living wage should be strongly encouraged to drop out of the gene pool instead of making another generation as bad or worse off than themselves.  This doesn’t have to be painful, it just has to be effective.

    If there is a problem of underemployment, perhaps a system of direct assistance to the underemployed like the EITC is in order.  That would be the least-distorting option, and like extended unemployment benefits it could be phased out as the job market improved.  But most of all, it would NOT create more than the minimum of troublesome consequences.

    But you seem to think superiority implies some mystical right to oppress the inferiors.

    You really need to work on reading comprehension.  A non-Marx-speak dictionary would help.

    That is an utter crock of shit that caused a lot of otherwise normal Whites to go ape shit in the France after a famous queen said “let them eat bread.”

    Speaking of lack of historical knowledge, the phrase is “Let them eat cake” and it is likely that Marie Antoinette never said it.

    When the inferior Whites ravage and devour the “accomplished” Whites who are busy playing with their toy robots, they’re not realty inferior anymore now are they?

    Goodness, are you a closet Luddite?  Are you going to throw wooden shoes into the works of the spinning and weaving mills, so that cloth remains high-priced and the home spinners and weavers can earn “a living wage”?  Of course, this takes you right back to the situation where cloth costs so much, the poor have to wear rags.  In addition to being short on food, they were cold and dirty as well.

    Yesterday’s Luddites wanted to maintain a “living wage” to support low-productivity spinners and weavers, causing “cloth poverty”.  What you demand will itself cause poverty of a different sort.  People who can’t afford fast food any more will have to take time (that they likely don’t have) to make brown-bag lunches; some will be stolen, others will cause food poisoning.  These costs all fall out somewhere.  You don’t know in your heart that unintended consequences are real; that makes you stupid.

    What we can’t accomplish with our minds we’ll accomplish with our brute strength if necessary.

    Everything worthwhile in your life is yours because of makers and creators.  All our worthwhile laws and institutions exist to make sure they can get their work done.  If you kill them and destroy their creations, you will turn the entire USA into Detroit.  If you would do that over fast-food wages, Detroit is what you deserve to live in.  Since the place needs to be fenced in anyway, I’d be happy to just toss you inside and be done with you.

    Pay them enough to keep themselves and their families alive and let them worry about the rest.

    These things aren’t free.  Even if I take the least-distorting way out (Underemployment Earned Income Tax Credit), everything that those people and their families consume over what their free-market wages would buy has to come from somewhere.  That money could have been kept by other people, buying goods for someone else; they must do without.  Who do you intend to hurt for the sake of the “kindness” you would render?

    It comes down to productivity.  If more gets produced, more can be consumed.  We don’t have to fight over toilet paper if there’s enough to wipe everyone’s butt; the surplus can go for fun on Halloween.  Make people productive and the problem solves itself.

    One of the essentials is avoiding scarcity of inputs, like land and water.  Eliminating immigration is essential for reducing poverty.

    You don’t want to pay them enough

    I do not decide what the job pays.  You are hypocritically trying to arrogate that decision to yourself!  In the process, you would cause all sorts of collateral damage.  If you cannot recognize this, you don’t have the brainpower to do even a half-assed job of it.

    you missed my point: If you’re gonna have the attitude of “sorry, that’s evolution,” than you have to own it.

    Apparently, you cannot recognize dysgenic policies unless someone explicitly labels them for you.  Maybe not even then.

    Everyone here can see that you can’t and won’t own it precisely because it strips you of your moral authority against White genocide.

    Hogwash.  The mistaken (or crypto-genocidal, take your pick) policies I listed above are against evolution, against selection by merit and ability.  I recognize how White people came to be what we are, shaped by harsh environments and competition.  We can continue the process with less pain today, but if we stop going forward, we will instead fall back.

    There are a billion Chinese, and they have no apparent problem with eugenic policies on their own people.  I’d rather not leave the world to them if I can help it.

    • Dan Poole says:

      I’m seeing a giant wall of economic wonkery. There’s more mentions of “distortions” and “productivity” in this comment and your other comments than a Heritage Foundation report or a Mike Lee speech. I’m allergic to that bullshit after wasting god knows how many hours of my time trumpeting it on the internet. It’s a false religion no matter if its masked as “helping Whites” or not. I mean, look at this:

      “paying a grossly excessive wage which will result in even the fast-food jobs evaporating before their eyes”

      Conservatard talk radio and Faux News spew that lie every other day. There’s no point in convincing one of the true believers that its false. There’s nothing “grossly excessive” about a living wage unless your name is Ronald Reagan or any of the capitalist pigs at Conservatism Inc.

      Get a clue.

      “The question of WHY there are not enough jobs for Whites with (meaningful) college degrees is one you not only won’t ask, you refuse to think about it even when it’s put to you directly.”

      I support all your solutions. What I support and you evidently don’t support is a safety net. Forcing greedy companies to pay a living wage is part of that safety net. If you don’t like the concept of the safety net, move to a country that doesn’t have one. Or as Matt Heimbach said: libertarians and their capitalism can move to Somalia if they want to live without rules, in the West we must have standards and enforce them

      (Side note: “I Hate Freedom” might be the best article I’ve ever read on the internet).

      http://www.tradyouth.org/2013/07/fuck-your-freedom/

      “If you demand more compensation for a job than its productivity merits?

      Fuck productivity. Productivity is a robotic concept. Asians have higher IQ’s than Whites and therefore have more productive potential than Whites. Indeed, China is a more economically productive nation (particularly Hong Kong) than many White nations. Given your obsession with “productivity” and the way you connect it to moral worth, you ought to admit that you think Asians have more moral worth than Whites. Don’t be shy. Amren once had a guy give a speech claiming Asian women make better wives than White women. Say what you will about the man, but at least he was being honest about what he believes.

      If a White person works hard, he should be compensated, PERIOD. The “laws of economics” that you and Conservatism Inc. are so obsessed with can be bent and even broken. Case in point: The EVIL socialist communist marxist state of Norway. No.1 on the Human Development Index. Social programs up to wazzu, a top tax rate of 47%, and oh yeah, a living wage! I don’t need to address your economic wonkery when real world examples prove you wrong.

      “How many times does it have to be explained to you that what you want will leave people worse off?”

      Because what you’re saying is not true. It not true in Norway, and it wasn’t true in the first half of the 1900s when White-led unions created the middle class. Rich “productive” people like George Soros and Sheldon Adelson don’t do shit for this country. They hoard all the wealth and treat the rest of us like animals. Worse yet, they try to displace us.

      “Is that your goal? Are you an Alinskyite Marxist, trying to bring capitalism down?”

      Yes, I am trying to bring capitalism down. I seek to replace it with a mixed economy, a quasi-socialist quasi-capitalist economy. That’s an economy that works for our race. Capitalism is a sick disgusting immoral system that rewards the pursuit of profit for profits sake and that rests its foundation on greed and the love of money. It preys on the worst of human instincts and brings out the dark side of people. It turns Whites into economic agents who’s moral worth is tied to their “productivity” as opposed to their character as a spouse, a parent, and a child.

      “I didn’t have to know anybody, recruiters came to me.”

      And just like Bill O Reilly, you expect that everyone else “should” be able to do what you did. Typical non-sense reasoning of a capitalist.

      “Yet despite me pointing out that you can’t eat money, and that for the “necessities” to be purchased someone has to create them”

      The creators are doing just fine thank you very much. To the tune of billions of profits per year.

      “I have a vision of the USA circa 1950, when White people did all that stuff and it worked.”

      1950. When Whites were reaping the fruits that Unions had wrought.

      “Your entire proposal is essentially Marxist, “to each according to his need”.

      Guilty as charged. Course, they can’t be lazy. But laziness isn’t a big problem among Whites. You know the Europeans think we’re workaholics, right?

      “It’s not kind to encourage them to breed, either.”

      Meanwhile in the real world:

      http://www.amren.com/news/2013/08/maternal-urge-decreases-by-a-quarter-for-every-15-extra-iq-points/

      Mr. “Rational” indeed.

      “Goodness, are you a closet Luddite?

      I have William Sherman’s mentality, I can tell you that much. He scorched the wrong people, but I admire the scorching in its own right.

      “You don’t know in your heart that unintended consequences are real; that makes you stupid.

      Spare me the BS, Milton Friedman. I’ve spewed it a thousand times over and don’t need to hear it from a guy who’s head is still in the sand.

      “Everything worthwhile in your life is yours because of makers and creators.”

      Utter garbage. Everything worthwhile in life comes from your family, your friends, and your Faith. Serving God, serving your spouse and children, honoring your parents if you are a child, the organic connections – THAT’s what makes life worth living, not “makers and creators” like, ahem, Ben Carson ( a better doctor than 99% of White doctors).

      “Who do you intend to hurt for the sake of the “kindness” you would render?”

      Rich people. You have a problem with that?

      “It comes down to productivity. If more gets produced, more can be consumed.”

      Time to quote Richard Spencer: I’d much rather live in an impoverished backwater where my friends and neighbors would be White than in a (productive) super-rich metropolis of aliens. Shanghai is a fascinating place to visit; but I could never be at home there.

      Life isn’t about productivity

      “Make people productive and the problem solves itself.”

      Except that White people aren’t robots who can be programmed to your liking. You can’t squeeze fine wine from oranges. You can’t “make” people productive. White people will be as productive as their natural skill set and their work ethic allows them to. Assuming they put in the effort, they should be rewarded. PERIOD.

      “Apparently, you cannot recognize dysgenic policies unless someone explicitly labels them for you.”

      I fail to see how normal, hard-working Whites who have kids but happen to be poor is in any way dysgenic. Your demented obsession with productivity leads you to condemn anything you deem not productive as unworthy of having kids.

      “I recognize how White people came to be what we are, shaped by harsh environments and competition.”

      Right, and it seems that in the absence of all accomplishments, you would think the White race isn’t worth preserving. Hence your lust for power and status. This shouldn’t surprise me. You’re arrogant off your own lucky success.

      “There are a billion Chinese, and they have no apparent problem with eugenic policies on their own people. “

      I may be off my rockers with my economic leftism, but I sure as hell don’t support aborting white babies.

      “I’d rather not leave the world to them if I can help it”

      Why not? They clearly have more “merit” and “ability” than the White race. Eat your cake Mr. Rational.

  8. “probably normal people who work there because they HAVE to” Why do they HAVE TO?

    • Dan Poole says:

      Because the alternative is no job, which means no wage, which means nothing to pay for food and other bills – such as student loan bills. Jobs in your field of study don’t grow on trees even if every non-white person was deported from this country.

      • Then they need to move or get more training. And don’t tell me they don’t have money. Most of the so called poor Whites I know of can afford to drink, smoke and get tattoos. It’s illegal but one is desperate enough one can get government aid and work under the table. I’m not promoting this illegal act but just trying to show that where there’s a will there’s a way. 2 other ideas-live in a camper on the street (check Youtube vids of people who have done this), overcrowd a house like the Mexicans do while you go to school or save money to move or start a business.

        Honestly, I know where you are coming from with regard to us helping each other. I think we should be more like the Amish. In fact I think the Amish are pretty close to what our people used to be. But the fact is, this world is getting colder and crueler by the minute. If you want to survive and want your family to survive, you’ll need to get scrappy. It you are waiting for the current government to help you, you are in for a world of hurt.

  9. Dan Poole says:

    Mindweapon,

    “You are a cornucopianist.”

    I’ve read your arguments about the urgent need to end the corncuopia of cheap corn syrup products, and I’m sympathetic towards it. But while the end of the cornucopia may be necessary, it isn’t sufficient. The Great Depression resulted in…the election of Teddy Roosevelts nephew 4 times over. Change, but not radical change. Huey Long would have been radical change (bless that man)

    1. What is the price (within a 5 dollar range) of a barrel of oil today?

    I’ll say $98 a barrel. I remember it reached a high of $147. I haven’t kept track of oil prices lately.

    2. How many gallons of oil in a barrel?

    Don’t know. I’m not brushed up on my measurements.

    3. How many barrels of oil does the USA use per day?

    1 million? Not sure.

    4. How many energy slaves would you need working for you to replace the average work done for the average American by fossil fuels?

    A lot. Can’t give an exact number because I don’t know.

    5. In what fundamental ways does shale drilling differ from old fashioned, Beverly Hillbillies type oil pumping?

    Shale oil is hardened and needs to be processed somehow. Beverly Hillbillies is extracting liquid oil from the ground. I knew that one. (Probably)

    6. How many calories of food are produced per calorie of oil?

    Don’t know

    Well, you caught me with my pants down, particularly on question 2 (seriously, I’m bad with conversions). I’m curious to know the purpose of the pop quiz.

    • mindweapon says:

      107 dollars per barrel. 42 gallons in a barrel of oil. 23 energy slaves working full time for you.

      Shale oil uses massive amounts drilling hardware, and it depletes fast and a lot of that hardware gets left in the ground, useless and used up.

      You seem to believe that we can just give the burger flippers a middle class life by fiat. That’s impossible at 100 dollars a barrel.

      What needs to happen is that hte burger flippers need a more energy efficient society. And they probably will need to be doing agriculture again, locally — both the production and processing. They need to be sharing rides to and from work rather than owning private automobiles.

      This can happen in an orderly way or disorderly way. So far it’s disorderly. however, I think some businessmen are going to see a profit potential from helping poor people live on more shared assets.

      You are wrong, Dan Poole, because you think we can create economic equality by fiat. That’s why I say you are a cornucopianist, and you are incorrect on that basis. The Fox news people are wrong too, for the same reason — they are also cornucopianists.

      Most political and economic commentators are cornucopianists — they do economics as social science, not as physical science.

      You have to see economics in terms of Energy Returned On Energy Invested. Listen to this podcasts:

      http://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-239-charlie-hall-on-reality-based-economics/

      http://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-234-george-mobus-and-biophysical-economics-2/

      http://kunstler.com/podcast/kunstlercast-235-talking-to-petroleum-geologist-jeffrey-brown/

  10. Tom Bowie says:

    From my observations, I’ve not seen a single person respond that wasn’t in part one of the cornucopianists including myself. Then again the word seems to be highly flexible as to what it entails, much like what some think of as a standard of living others would call extravagant or even others call something else.

    We’re in part arguing over fast food jobs because they’re mostly what’s left. The fact of the matter is that without the influx of non-Whites combined with sending jobs overseas, there’d be living wage jobs available. Quite a few of them in fact despite other factors being involved.

    We just happen to live at the end of a dark age and it’s going to get darker before the dawn but, there’s going to be a dawn one way or another. <cornucopianists

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