Asian Immigrants and What No One Mentions Aloud

Educational Realist points out that Asians often cheat to get their academic success. This is true to a degree, though I knew plenty of Asians that were very competent in math and science, and some cheaters as well. But the point he’s missing is that at least the Asians care enough to cheat. American kids are just like “whatever, I’ll major in psychology instead.” And the fact is that the Asians have “science and engineering high schoools” where the kids get the equivalent of a BS in high school.


To continue my thoughts on college admissions and Asians:

Many people, reading of the clear discrimination against Asians, become all righteous, thinking of those poor, hardworking Asians. Come to America, work hard, and look how the system screws them.

But that reaction ignores the stereotype.

The stereotype, delicately put: first and second generation Chinese, Korean, and Indian Americans often fail to embody the sterling academic credentials they include with their applications, and do not live up to the expectations these universities have for top tier students.

Less delicately put: They cheat. And when they don’t cheat, they game tests in a way utterly incomprehensible to the Western mind, leading to test scores with absolutely zero link to underlying ability. Or both. Or maybe it’s all cheating, and we just don’t know it. Either way, the resumes are functional fraud.

Is it true for every single recent Chinese, Korean, or Indian…

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24 Responses to Asian Immigrants and What No One Mentions Aloud

  1. Well, Asians cheat at those high schools, too. Cheating back in India, China, and Korea is rampant–much worse than it is here.

    • mindweapon says:

      Good lord, I can’t believe I’m taking this side of the argument.

      Yes, I’m aware that they cheat in Asia — heck, they have parent riots over not letting their kids cheat.

      DOn’t you wish American kids wanted it that bad? If they did, they would be able to do very well without cheating.

      • This is insanely flawed thinking. First, you are correlating cheating with desire. Second, you are saying that Americans don’t want it “that bad” based on their decision not to cheat.

    • Maureen Martin, Aryan Street says:

      ER, you’ll have to forgive us. We are overwhelmed sometimes with how the cards are stacked against us.

      I don’t think MW is suggesting White kids cheat. He is just lamenting the fact that they don’t even care about themselves.

  2. Maureen Martin, Aryan Street says:

    That’s a crying shame. We have to right this.

  3. Ryu says:

    Cheating is necessary today. I would even say the smarter the student, the faster he realizes this fact and gets good at cheating. When in Rome…

    One has to be willing to win. If one has to cheat, do it. If playing it straight works, do that. It’s the outcome that matters.

    Cheating is not a dirty word. There are two sets of standards today – one for the strong, another for the weak. Murkans have to learn to be a bit like the Russians. They seem to cheat on everything, and are the better of for it. When you’re governed by mafia thugs, that’s what you must do.

    • ckorzeniowski says:

      I don’t care about gaming the system or playing dirty, but when you cheat your way up you’ll eventually have to demonstrate skills (engineering, language, whatever) on your own.

      • mindweapon says:

        I saw a rich Muslim kid who was on his way to becoming a Pentagon funded physicist lose his offer. He had terrible emotional intelligence and I don’t know how good his physics actually was. He ended up going into something else altogether. I didn’t understand why he didn’t keep on trying to become a physicist, but I do know he cheated a lot with his IPhone.

  4. Anon says:

    You have to be smart to a certain extent to cheat anyway, and in a 3rd world hellhole, its something a mindweapon will have to learn.

  5. The problem for Europeans is one of frame. The Asian frame- which is the British frame too, pretty much- is academic achievement for money and status. Europeans don’t care that much. They like to do things for novelty, excitement, pride, accomplishment and glory. Tell a white kid he should study so he can make a lot of money and he won’t really get into it. Tell him to learn so he can build cool things and he is more likely to get excited about it.

  6. ckorzeniowski says:

    The college aged, native Chinese I’ve encountered have been almost uniformly lazy. Don’t attend class half the time, play on their phones, and have adopted the slovenly sartorial habits of American students such as wearing sweatpants to class. I’ve heard other anecdotal accounts of how the Red Princelings behave to make me think it’s a trend. Once they have money (or their parents have it) the worker bee mentality shuts down and they become layabouts. The Koreans and Japanese I’ve encountered aren’t anywhere near as bad.

    • mindweapon says:

      Very interesting, Cyprian. The ones I knew at UConn were pretty studious, but their studiousness is inversely proportionate to the length of time since they immigrated.

  7. Trainspotter says:

    Glad you posted this, MW. For too long, Asians have gotten a free pass in many white nationalist circles, which isn’t too hard to understand given the appalling behavior of blacks and mestizos. Still, they aren’t us, and behave in ways that are very damaging to us. It’s not all about crime stats and IQ, not by a long shot.

    As our movement develops and matures, and I think it is slowly doing just that, at some point we’re going to be in a position to meaningfully challenge the system. That system is not going to be merely full of Jews and white traitors, but will likely be disproportionately Asian as well. Given the massive number of Asians enrolled in the nation’s top universities, this seems inevitable. It’s an old technique of empire: bring in foreigners that lack historical ties to the population, and employ those foreigners against that population. Seems like that’s going to be playing out here as well, with a substantially Asian technocratic elite enforcing system dictates and keeping the system running from a technical standpoint. Good possibility, anyway.

    The interesting question is whether Asian nations might at some point be willing to sell out their expats and support meaningful resistance to the system. I think they may well do just that, as seeing America humbled and in decline will be a powerful temptation. In any event, the Asian factor makes an already complicated chessboard even more so. Doesn’t change much for us at this point, as we need to concentrate on building networks for the time being, but the sooner we ditch the attitude of “blacks and beaners are the real problem, but Asians are law abiding,” the better.

  8. Maureen Martin, Aryan Street says:

    I think that if White kids cheat and get caught they will be severely punished while teachers look the other way when it’s Asians. I could be wrong but I feel like people expect more of Whites and figure we are already privileged enough.

  9. Clytemnestra says:


    Educational Realist points out that Asians often cheat to get their academic success. This is true to a degree, though I knew plenty of Asians that were very competent in math and science, and some cheaters as well. But the point he’s missing is that at least the Asians care enough to cheat. American kids are just like “whatever, I’ll major in psychology instead.” And the fact is that the Asians have “science and engineering high schools” where the kids get the equivalent of a BS in high school.

    To me, that BS stands for Bull Shit. As in BSing the White American public into thinking that Asians are so much smarter than and their IQs are so much higher than those of Whites that it is a mystery for the ages as to why, for centuries, they have lived in backwards countries and only seem to thrive when they get to White First World countries.

    White Americans have been snowed by myths like Amy Chua’s, “Battle Hym of the Tiger Mother” into thinking that they have to drive their own children into nervous breakdowns by robbing them of any enjoyment in childhood so they can drill for hours on the piano and quantum physics, for Pete’s sake and now we find out from this article that Asian kids are scoring high grades and taking jobs that should go to White Americans, because they “care enough to” CHEAT!

    Not only are they cheating by using a racial quota system to cheat more meritorious White candidates out of university spots and outside employment, but they are cheating prospective employers who think they have hired the best possible qualified candidate.

    Mind you, I was always skeptical about the much vaunted Asian IQ. It seemed to me that the last great Microsoft products, Windows XP was designed by White programmers and there have been nothing but kinks and glitches with the Microsoft brand since. IMO, Apple has also suffered greatly in quality since being sent overseas to be programmed by Indians and manufactured in China.

    That said, I don’t want to EVER see White children “care enough to” cheat. I want to seem them use that inherent innovative genius so that they work smarter, not harder. Whites need to step away from the established educational systems and look more to home-schooling that will teach White kids how to speed-read and offer other time-saving study methods that will give them a competitive edge with these cheats.

    • mindweapon says:


      I have to disagree with you.

      Studying math/physics/chemistry doesn’t have to make them miserable. The ideal way to do it is at your own pace, homeschooled with tutors when you need them, and then when you actually go to a university, you start at Calc 3 or 4, you do the freshman Chemistry and Physics because they have lab but you already know the stuff cold, and you have CLEP’ed most of the general education courses.

      I saw the Asian kids with my own eyes. There’s some truth to the idea that they dn’t have such a high IQ as people think (instead they work hard at studying — they really do). There’s some truth to the cheating, but there’s also plenty of them studying hard and really learning the stuff, especially the recent immigrants. Interestingly, I had no Chinese, 1 Indian (female premed) and 1 Arab (chem major, father a physicist at the university) in my Enhanced Gen Chem class. One black girl, I don’t know how she did, and one heavyset Hispanic girl who was very good at chemistry. Chemistry was all she did. The other 17 students were white kids. Enhanced Gen Chem was for masochists. Gen Chem had like 1000 students.

      anyway, more to say on this but I got to go at the moment.

    • Trainspotter says:

      Cly: “White Americans have been snowed by myths like Amy Chua’s, “Battle Hym of the Tiger Mother” into thinking that they have to drive their own children into nervous breakdowns…”

      Cly, I think that’s a legitimate point. While it is rapidly passing out of living memory, there was a time when we had a high quality, and very white, educational system. I’ve never gotten the impression that the whites of that earlier era were driven to do nothing but “more, more, more!” homework and such. I just don’t think it’s the way our kind are built. We’re a different sort of animal.

      White children were encouraged to learn on their own a great deal, pursue hobbies, sports, social life, and also just spend time being kids. We aren’t very good drones by nature.

      Problem is, we now have a society that is geared toward gaming the system. He who games well gets the benefit. He who is a good drone gets the benefit.

      I remember taking the SAT’s back in the eighties. To the best of my knowledge, none of my peers took a preparatory course. I personally had no idea that SAT prep courses even existed, for the simple reason that I had never heard of one. This was at a pretty normal, predominantly white suburban high school. It’s not like we were out in the middle of nowhere, but preparatory courses were simply not on our radar. We took tests “cold,” and what you got was what you got. I scored well, as did quite a few others at my school, and those of us who did gained admission to excellent schools. My peers were a genuinely bright bunch…no gaming required.

      Of course, now there is a massive preparatory industry. Tests are something to be gamed, even if there is no outright cheating. Basically, Asians and Jews have invaded our educational ecosystem, and have promptly set about distorting and gaming it, thus making it less and less amenable to the founding population.

      Who is more intellectually valuable: the geeky white kid who has a thirst for science and knowledge, and often spends his spare time tinkering around with personal projects and studying fields of knowledge that aren’t going to be tested? You know, the guy who is reading a good book on his own, even though it has nothing to do with assigned courses?

      Or, in contrast, the Asian who focuses entirely on getting the grade….if it’s not going to be on the test, he couldn’t care less. Maybe he cheats, maybe he just drones. But either way, he has zero intellectual curiosity or love of knowledge per se. He is simply interested in logging the A and moving on.

      I think the answer as to which is more valuable is obvious. It should also be obvious who is more likely to be rewarded, and hint, it’s not the more valuable of the two. Basically, Asians and Jews are an invasive species that have figured out how to game and distort the system, in ways both above board and not, and the result is an intellectual decay that is apparent throughout the society. Just another joy of diversity. You know it’s bad when white parents actually AVOID predominantly Asian schools, which I understand is fairly common out in California.

      Yet another reason, as if we needed more, for separation. We must have our own ecosystem, without the disruptions of invasive species. We need a land that operates in ways consistent with our natures, and this is especially important for education.

      • mindweapon says:

        That’s an excellent point, Trainspotter.

        Your conclusion that we need to have our own ecosystem is absolutely true, but it’s also not something we can do at the moment.

        What we need to do is make this crisis into an opportunity to counter-attack.

        The bright white kids who actually get hooked on math the way they might otherwise be hooked on video games, who spend the 10,000 hours learning it, will blow everyone else away.

        But we aren’t producing those kids. That’s something we can actually do. And it’s not that difficult, it’s not like 1 in a million, more like 1 in 50. Of course at that ratio the abilities will vary, but there’s a huge range of things to do with math/science/engineering knowledge, including business.

        Math/science/engineering is the best intellectual preparation there is for a career in business. Emotional intelligence is also very important. You have a mid level competence engineer/mathematician with some emotional intelligence, and he can go very far in business.

        The kids who can grow up learning math/science are the ones who spend time doing drudge labor. You have them toil in the fields and/or warehouses a few hours a day, and studying is their “break from the toil,” and their way out. Studying is their vacation, what they can’t wait to do when they have some free time. Then they will like it and groove on the novelty of learning the next thing, which built on the last thing.

        So this can be done, adn it can be done without any fanfare or publicity. The Mindweapon Generation can come out of nowhere.

  10. MOISHE (NOT) says:


  11. oogenhand says:

    Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:
    This time many comments at MWIR.

  12. TabuLa Raza says:


    Won’t that make me a mind slave?

  13. Maureen Martin, Aryan Street says:

    We’re all slaves (or servants maybe) of something.

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