Paychex “conservatives” attacking the Dark Enlightenment now; two links, also Dark Enlightenment is going viral among College Republicans!

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Catholic boy inadvertently spills the beans on the popularity of White nationalism!

At least one of my readers has a young, formerly Catholic, relative who is going for this vile crap in a big way (he now practices bullshit white supremacist paganism because Christianity adulterated European racial stock with its acceptance of all races as children of God) and it is apparently going viral in some College Republican circles (according to people who are writing me about it).

The Dark Enlightenment hordes invade both comment sections, of course. I love how he says, I’m leaving you up, genius, just so people can see the grade A morons Dark Enlightenment attracts. He doesn’t realize that he’s on the wrong side of the consensus! Hahahaha!

kid_you_not • 16 hours ago
Is being White supremacist bad? Jew supremacy is openly practiced and called Zionism. The US government supports Jew supremacy so much they give over $10 MILLON a day to a Jew homeland. Should Whites not have a homeland paid for by US tax dollars, too?
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chezami Mod kid_you_not • 14 hours ago
I’m leaving you up, genius, just so people can see the grade A morons Dark Enlightenment attracts.
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albion chezami • 2 hours ago
That’s very nice, but do you want to answer the question? America does send millions in ‘aid’ to Israel and Israel does grant citizenship on the basis of Jewishness. Please explain to me how kid_you_not is being moronic, or how your position is consistent….
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VoiceofReason • 17 hours ago
The Negro is a primitive specimen which cannot function in civilization and brings with it numerous unpleasant qualities everywhere it goes. Negroes do not belong in White societies, and they certainly cannot be granted “equal rights” or freedom when they are patently not our equals. Their inferior genes damn them to a savage existence.

Negroes are genetic poison. HBD proves this. They must be treated as a biological menace. When a superior race mates with a Negro, their progeny is doomed because it lowers their average IQ.

Consider this comparison: Rabbits are much cuter and less destructive than Negroes. Rabbits have never created a hellhole like Detroit or Haiti. But when rabbits become pests and destroy crops, we have no choice but to drastically reduce the number of rabbits. Negroes reproduce themselves at a much faster rate than rabbits because they’re too stupid to have any foresight or understand the lessons about contraception that liberals try to give them. Therefore, the White Man needs to step in and deal with the problem accordingly.

Negroes should be relegated to the evolutionary dungheap where they belong.
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chezami Mod VoiceofReason • 14 hours ago
I’m also leaving you up so people can see what a crock of racist shit Dark Enlightenment is.
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Ranjit Patel • 19 hours ago
I agree with the above: but this “DE” delusion is a reaction to the obvious, constant attacks on Christian civilization taking place throughout the West..sadly, Christians – including the Pope – have been largely supine in the face of this since the 1960s.
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chezami Mod Ranjit Patel • 17 hours ago
“Reaction” is a notoriously stupid way to navigate life, particularly when it includes reaction against the Church.
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DaveHolden • a day ago
“…nutty white supremacy…”

What is that – opposing genocide? And are Zionists “nutty”?
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Rebel_Alliance • a day ago
Rather a risible article considering the cultural genocide that Christianity and the Catholic church has perpetrated across Europe for millenia. The Renaissance wasn’t really about rediscovering the myth of your ‘Christ’, it was about shrugging off the evil repression your religion brings.
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Rob Hobart Rebel_Alliance • a day ago
I would say your response is far more “risible,” especially given the historical illiteracy it displays.
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237kmt • 2 days ago
If you can’t figure out how and why resource poor Switzerland and resource rich Swaziland are so different by the time your 30 years old, you’ve got some growing up to do.
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Rob Hobart 237kmt • a day ago
Culture and race are not the same.
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waltherm 237kmt • a day ago
“by the time your 30 years old”

If you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re” by the time YOU’RE 10 years old, YOU’RE dumber than any Swazilander I’ve ever met.
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chezami Mod 237kmt • a day ago
You mean besides the fact that Switzerland was never under the heel of a colonial power?
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CultofXoth_com • 2 days ago
After 2000 years of persecution and cultural destruction, Europe is finally waking up and putting the nails in the coffin of the Cult of the Dead Jew. Let us hope the rest of the Western world follows suit. It’s payback time for the Nazarene cultists!
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chezami Mod CultofXoth_com • a day ago
I think I’ll leave you up too, just in case some people don’t believe you morons exist.
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CultofXoth_com • 2 days ago
My friends, your upstart cult of Catholicism is a criminal cannibal cabal built upon lies and fabrications. Only the prophet Lovecraft (pbuh) has revealed the abysmal truth about this ‘verse: that idiot Outer Gods rule our dying cosmos from the black spiral vortex at the center of infinity, and sent dead Cthulhu to destroy this planet when the stars come right again. I care not about Dark Enlightenment, but Endarkenment is understanding these and similar truths.

Azathoth sees all! Azathoth knows all! Azathoth destroys all! Azathoth akbar!
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Rob Hobart CultofXoth_com • a day ago
What a silly person you are.
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Kristin CultofXoth_com • 2 days ago
For added enjoyment, read this aloud in a heavy metal growl.
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Matt Baen • 2 days ago
From what I can gather, there are three major streams of ‘thought’ that converge in the Dark Enlightenment: 1) an elitist, ultra-capitalist form of Singularitarianism from tech industry types, 2) scientific racism from heterodox academics, 3) misogyny from the pick-up artist/men’s rights activist community. The other streams (Christianist, white nationalist, monarchist etc.) are either inconsistent with others in the network or marginal.

Could opposition to the Dark Enlightenment be something that unites conservative Christians and liberal atheists?
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Rob Hobart Matt Baen • a day ago
I doubt it, but one can hope.
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Ita Scripta Est • 3 days ago
If anything the so-called Dark Enlightenment is more libertarian than anything else.
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Rob Hobart Ita Scripta Est • a day ago
Only in the sense that it is in concert with the neo-Confederate/racist fringe of Libertarianism — the people Ron Paul was trying to appeal to with his notorious “newsletters.”
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Yeargh • 3 days ago
After seeing some of the comments that Mark has now (mercifully) deleted, I have no idea how anyone could get drawn into a movement like Dark Enlightenment where the followers are mentally ill, possessed, or both.
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tz1 • 3 days ago
Sometimes, it appeals to something called “Western” Christianity, but
this is basically a fig leaf for getting discernment-free conservatives
to jettison actual Christian teaching in favor of nutty white supremacy
by rhetoric about how Euro-superiority makes it plain that the whole “in
Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek” race indifference is a huge
mistake.

ref: http://voxday.blogspot.com/201…

Conservatives who discern become libertarians.

The sections of Africa when not governed by whites tended to be different than those governed by whites. At what point does “actual Christian teaching” tell you to deny obvious truth? This does not mean I assign a CAUSE, only that – ignoring the cause – whites may rule better or worse than blacks. In the sense that under Saddam Hussein, who I don’t think was an Christian, Christians were far better off than under Christian USA Bushian Vichy rule.

Racism tends to destroy rationality on both sides. Better Idi Amin than De Clerk? Better Zimbabwe than Rhodesia (are the people really better off? If someone did what actually happened, would it be considered good or evil)?

Racism has been displaced from its proper place as a minor evil in its benign forms, and has ascended to something like “the woman’s right to choose”.

Racism itself derives its evil because it places a facade that denies the truth – a readily observable truth, and destroys justice. But the same truth says we must not deny existing differences and heal the harm, or support the helps.

I’ve noted the dearth of colored people at the local church (I’m in Kent, WA at the moment). Perhaps we should have an express or simply not bother with RCIA and baptism and invite “people of color” into communion of the Catholic Church without bothering with all that procedural stuff… Oh… But isn’t fighting racism more important than procedure? Didn’t a recent reading recount Cornelius who was a Gentile Why treat PoC like goyim and insist they be circumcised or go through other irrelevant stuff?

Discernment, temperance, and justice are hard and dear things.
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chezami Mod tz1 • 3 days ago
Conservatives who discern become Catholics whose minds are formed by the teaching of the Church, not by the shallow human heresy of libertarianism. As to the rest of what you wrote, it was absolutely incomprehensible to me.
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Ita Scripta Est chezami • 3 days ago
Mark,

Vox Day is a rabid anti-Cathoic who blames Catholics for “ruining” America, and yet while Vox lives in Italy!
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Chase Ita Scripta Est • 3 days ago
Anyone else notice that “Vox Day” is a pun on “Vox Dei” (“the Voice of God”), at least how English speakers tend to mispronounce it?
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Brian Niemeier • 3 days ago
There have been several calls to avoid secondary sources and go straight to the horse’s mouth before commenting. I went over to JayMan’s about page and clicked through some of the HBD links.
A lot of the studies he cites empirically prove that empirical differences between people exist. Some folks nowadays may need to be informed of this fact. Most people, if they’re honest, acknowledge the physical and mental inequalities between themselves and others.
The fatal deficiency in basing any kind of political or moral theory on these data is the insurmountable obstacle of deriving an “ought” from an “is”. Sure, empirical science can contribute to such discussions, but moral judgments are the exclusive realm of philosophy and theology.
A telling statement on JayMan’s site is the metaphysical claim that all scientists should be atheists. Reasonable men of good will may differ on that point, but one who espouses materialist determinism utters a self-contradiction whenever he says “should”. In fact, he does so whenever he tries to convince anyone of anything. Furthermore, he commits the same fallacy by presuming materialism and then claiming that empirical science can be trusted at all.
Pre-Christian cultures saw people’s inequalities clearly enough to make slavery and total war the norm. It took the supernatural revelation that all men are created equal in God’s image to fill in the blanks left by nature and correct the ancients’ excesses. We’re now facing the twofold consequences of rejecting that reveled truth: totalitarian liberalism enforcing a tyranny of relativism, and a movement that reacts against liberal errors to the point of embracing barbarism.
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Irenist Gay Rapist 69 • 3 days ago
The only thing that could make it more interesting would be if an even bigger loser decided to troll the post. Good thing you came by.
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C.A. Hurliman • 3 days ago
fuck the jews
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chezami Mod C.A. Hurliman • 3 days ago
I’m leaving your comments up because they so exemplify the true spirit of both Dark Enlightenment *and* Reactionary Catholics.
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Ita Scripta Est chezami • 3 days ago
Hey! I have reactionary sympathies and I loathe the Dark Enlightenment!
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Dave G. chezami • 3 days ago
Uh Mark, could we please. I’m the last to want things banned over content, and I know things can get heated. But when I look down and that’s one of the first comments I see on your thread?
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chezami Mod Gay Rapist 69 • 3 days ago
Absolutely not. I’ve been besiege with apologist trolls for this bullshit all day. I want this post to stand because it is emblematic of what is really at the heart of this movement.
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ivan_the_mad • 3 days ago
I thought this pertinent given the impotent and ignorant rage visited upon this thread by a horde of flying monkeys from the furthest recesses of the Intarwebz:

“This psychological breach with the old European Christian tradition is a much more serious thing than any political or economic revolution, for it means not only the dethronement of the moral conscience but also the abdication of the rational consciousness which is inseparably bound up with it. It is indeed doubtful if Western society can survive the change, for it is not a return to the past or to the roots of our social life. It is too radical for that. Instead of going downstairs step by step, neo-paganism jumps out of the top-storey [sic] window, and whether one jumps out of the right-hand window or the left makes very little difference by the time one reaches the pavement.” — Christopher Dawson, Understanding Europe
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Guest • 3 days ago
It’s interesting that for all their bluster and macho bravado, the Darkly Enlightened seem very thin-skinned, now that they are facing more critical attention. How quickly their pretense of high, “aristocratic” intellect drops when challenged in even the slightest way, and then it’s up to the mid-level bloglodytes to resort to hackneyed ad hominem counterattacks.
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Guest Gay Rapist 69 • 3 days ago
Good guess.
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Irenist damntull • 3 days ago
Mr. Beale’s piece opposes Christianity to “Churchianism,” and thus denigrates Sacred Tradition. Mr. Beale’s piece complains that the Church embraces “anti-racism,” implying that he thinks the Church should be pro-racist. As you might say: pretty lame.
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Irenist Farmer88 • 3 days ago
Ideas like racism and autocracy should be cast aside because they are infernal wickedness, regardless of whether their proponents are nominal Christians or not.
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Irenist Days of Broken Arrows • 3 days ago
This is a Catholic blog. The Church is against racism, and since Vatican II has repeatedly stressed the legitimacy (indeed, desirability) of democracy. Roma locuta est. Causa finita est.
If you have “data” arguing that the Church ought to be betrayed, it will get you nowhere here.
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Julian O’Dea Irenist • 3 days ago −
Irenist, I think that is a stretch. There is no infallible statement that democracy is desirable. If there is, please cite it. I agree that it is probably the best system, but what you are doing here is not strictly honest. Also, the Church supported monarchies for centuries. Let’s be honest. It also sounds odd coming from a Church which is in some senses a monarchy itself, with a hierarchy in the church and the family. Yes, I am a Catholic. Too.
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Red • 3 days ago
Umm … Jordan Bloom? I appreciate your response here, but didn’t you just write a PC hit piece against Richard Spencer? Doesn’t everything you criticize about this post apply to your Richard Spencer article? Granted, your article was somewhat less of an exercise in “point and sputter” outrage than this post, but neither did you engage Spencer’s concerns or arguments. You primarily presented offenses against political correctness as if they were self damning. (FTW, I think all the neo-pagan nonsense in some of these circles is highly unfortunate.)
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Tom Smith • an hour ago
Wow, I didn’t know TAS was still around.
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Donovan Greene • 18 hours ago
Excessive snark? Puerile nature? Petty insults? Lack of actual substance?

I didn’t realize they allowed middle scholars to write for “The American Spectator”.
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Nick B. Steves • 18 hours ago
You forgot, “Wow! Just Wow!” It makes hysterical tirades so much more convincing.
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Eric_D_Read Nick B. Steves • 12 hours ago
Don’t forget, “I can’t even…”.
I hear that one’s very new and original.
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Hank Carson • a day ago
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

Mahatma Gandhi

Apparently we’re at stage 2
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Emp123 • 15 hours ago
The Dark Enlightenment just means that biology applies to people too. It is called the Dark Enlightenment because its conclusions are that the Enlightenment view of human nature (the blank slate) is terribly wrong. Trivers, Pinker, Cochran, Harpending are the real sources. Journalists used to have to know what they were writing about.
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Nick B. Steves • 18 hours ago
They hate democracy, under which their many talents have gone unappreciated.

While mostly false, it is an interesting point. The talents, however mediocre, of journalists are ever in demand in a democracy.
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RedneckCryonicist • a day ago
The neoreactionaries have deeper intellectual resources than you attribute to them. Plato and Aristotle wrote critiques of democracy and argued in favor of the ethnically uniform, organic polis run by aristocrats as the best order of society, much like some of today’s Dark Enlightenment bloggers; yet we consider them the founders of Western philosophy.
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ECM RedneckCryonicist • a day ago
I think you’re bearing out part of his point that the ideas of the DE aren’t original at all, even if the promulgators–and adherents–of such think it is. (Obviously the Founders drew on the sources you cite–and more–so I would think the depths to which you allude are understood?)

(Personally, I think they make good points, but they are retreads of well-trod intellectual paths–as you, in part, note– and are only new in the sense that most people trumpeting them are as historically ignorant and illiterate as the average modern. This isn’t to say this isn’t useful, since it at least wakes some people up, but it is hardly original thinking by even the most lax definition.)
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Eric_D_Read ECM • 12 hours ago
I don’t think most DE adherents would disagree with you as to the originality of their ideas.
But the undertone of your comment seems to presuppose “new” and “original” = good, while “old” = bad.
That’s the main conflict I see between the DE crowd and those that seek to discredit them; why does “old” and “been done before” automatically mean something is a bad idea?
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Nick B. Steves • 19 hours ago
A new high watermark in content-free.
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Quartermaster • a day ago
Ridiculous post. Get out more and stay away from the faux-conservatives that refuse to see what is actually going on the world.
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Rob Hobart Quartermaster • a day ago
Non-responsive name-calling post is non-responsive and name-calling.
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Quartermaster Rob Hobart • 16 hours ago
I said what needed to be said. The author is more interested in flinging fecal matter at some people who say something his silly mind doesn’t like than dealing with a phenomenon that has risen in reaction to something that is killing the country. The post reeks of libralism, and is certainly not the product of a conservative mind.
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waltherm Mod Quartermaster • a day ago
Errr, Master of the Quarters: did you read the post or not?

“All of these people need to relax: spend some time with P.G. Wodehouse, watch a football game, get drunk, whatever.”
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Allodium waltherm • a day ago
We all read it and decided it was crap. Time to go back to Tumblr.
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Quartermaster waltherm • a day ago
Yes I read it. It’s ridiculous. Can I get my 5 minutes back?
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Brendan Doran waltherm • 7 hours ago
Like the Smile that Wins?
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Allodium • a day ago
Yes, we’re so sad that even Matthew Walther, the great philosopher that he is, is writing about us – loaded full of stawman arguments!
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Brian • 4 hours ago

The Laws of the Cathedral. Obey or Perish.

http://occamsrazormag.wordpres…


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Scharlach • 4 hours ago
And where did anyone argue that any of our ideas are “new”? You’re winning an argument there that no one ever started. Of course our ideas aren’t new. We’re fucking reactionaries.
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Scharlach • 4 hours ago
You can click almost randomly on any Moldbug post and find historical sources galore. Walther, there are these things called “hyperlinks” embedded in blog text that you need to pay attention to.
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Nick B. Steves • 19 hours ago
See mom, I’m not atavistic after all!
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Lynn Grace Corbin-Lohmanns • a day ago
Dismissing people who are expressing their opinion on the web as mere “internet geeks” through the medium of the internet, is even sillier, really. There’s “the Cathedral”, and then there are the actual Heavens, where true equality reigns. Deal with it.
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Matt Baen • 11 hours ago
Neoreaction is the extreme end of the same Bay Area tech culture libertarianism that has given rise to follies like the seasteading movement. The nucleus of the movement is techies and academic futurists who discovered scientific racist and pick-up artist blogs. It’s a noxious spasm of intemperate self-regard made possible by private equity flooding into social media startups over the last few years.
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rjstove • 19 hours ago
Hmmm … I am wondering whether most of these bozos are even worth Mr. Walther’s powder and shot. If the Dark Enlightenment were attracting authors who actually had careers, then things would be different. But from what I have seen – all too much, actually – of the generally pseudonymous manifestations Mr. Walther describes, I find no evidence that they amount to anything more than the sort of pity-party attended by a 64-year-old bubba who still lives in his mother’s attic over Wyoming way.

Of course said bozos, secure as they are in the delusion that the world’s populace is hanging on every utterance they attempt, have never heard of Dr. Johnson (“No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money”), let alone A. A. Milne (“Almost anyone can be an author; the business is to collect money and fame from this state of being”). And while soi-disant Catholics do indeed form a kind of bozo subdivision, they remain unaware of the fact that the Sixth Commandment forbids verbal onanism as well as the physical kind. All a bit like censuring student newspapers, really, no?
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drparadox • 4 hours ago
They hate democracy…
Well, yeah… and so did the founders of the US republic.
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Brian • 4 hours ago

The Laws of the Cathedral. Obey or Perish!

http://occamsrazormag.wordpres…


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Blaster • 4 hours ago
If you’re worried about an anti-democracy movement, perhaps it is time for the elite participants in mainstream discourse to double-down on the topic of first principles, if you even remember what they are.
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Scharlach • 4 hours ago
Using “mouth breathers” and “prolix” in the same short post is another sign that your style and thinking lack cohesion. Tell your bosses: we’re offended they sent a low-level content generator to write about us.
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Scharlach • 4 hours ago
“His would-be Big Idea, namely, that liberalism is a secular religion . . . ”

A superficial gloss that borders on inaccuracy. No, I’ll just say it: you’re wrong here. How much time did you spend skimming Moldbug? Ten minutes? Fifteen?
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Scharlach • 4 hours ago
“It is a harmless product of the Age of Twitter, a symptom of The Way We Live Now as much as Girls or Pajama Boy.”

But then you go onto say how all these ideas are old (which they are). You need more cohesion in your paragraphs, Walther. If you were one of my university students, I’d give this a C-.
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Scharlach • 4 hours ago
If you haven’t, do yourself a favor and look at Walther’s bio picture.
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JG Scharlach • 2 hours ago
He doesn’t lift.
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Nick B. Steves • 16 hours ago
By the way, theden.tv is one of the best kept secrets of the Neoreaction. News & opinion targeted to the first and second sigmas. And the font-face was BANNED by the National Socialists in case you were wondering.
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PlumberofNazareth • 17 hours ago
Evidently this Matthew Walther fellow finds neoreaction so lacking in substance that he declines to actually write anything substantive about it in his article.
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JG • 2 hours ago
Wow. Just wow. GUYS.
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GH • 4 hours ago
The purpose of these outlets is to draw clicks. One of them hears about this DE thing, and decides to write an article to see if it will draw more clicks. He writes it in the way he expects will draw the most clicks. Other outlets, seeing said article, repeat the process. None of this suggests that writing about the DE is actually drawing more clicks. If the *same* outlet starts writing articles about the DE regularly, then maybe there would be cause to think the DE is to be taken seriously. Until then, all I see is a bunch of autistic spasming in the comments threads; one can’t help but notice that these comments have all been made by those who search “dark enlightenment” to see if anyone new has covered it. I recall a blog entry Nick Land penned about the telegraph article where he righteously announced that “the comments weren’t co-operating” as if that was some high mark. It doesn’t really count if all the commentators are the tiny minority of people who were already on your side. (None of this is to say DE ideas about what is wrong with society are not at least obviously true at a superficial level.)
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VoiceofReason • 15 hours ago
What is condemned a “racism” by the left and its cronies is in reality a natural and healthy feeling which should be celebrated rather than taboo.

As Madison Grant once said: “Race feeling may be called prejudice by those whose careers are cramped by it, but it is a natural antipathy which serves to maintain the purity of type… Either the races must be kept apart by artificial devices of this sort, or else they ultimately amalgamate, and in the offspring the more generalized or lower type prevails.”
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Brendan Doran • 17 hours ago −
Moldbug goes just a tad farther than Wiki, although he does reference it as La Wik. By tad farther I mean several parsecs.

Physic take your own advice and stick to writing about drunken football conservatism.

You conserve …nothing. But you do get to bitch about the Dems while taking the check from them, grumbling if the beer commericals and halftime show has a flash of Tit.

Come to think of it Flash of Tit rather Sums up conservatism.
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Vern Crisler • a day ago
Or watch Big Bang Theory.

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    R7 Rocket Käthe • 3 days ago
    Of course it’s guys, it’s the guys who topple over decaying ruling structures. Especially guys who are not tied down by a wife. Thanks to the marriage strike against “marriage” 2.0, that single male population is growing. While deficits and unfunded liabilities are also growing.
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    Irenist Käthe • 3 days ago
    Exactly. And this is why I worry. The EF Mass (and lacy vestments) are magnificent things. But people with legitimate interests in these things (or in traditional Western art and literature, as you say) can end up falling in with a bad crowd. It’s one more thing to prepare our kids against, and perhaps to warn about in catechesis.
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    Käthe Irenist • 3 days ago
    Yeah it seems to sneak up on people. When I first noticed it, I was sure people couldn’t be saying what I thought they were saying, advocating what they seemed to be advocating. People who are into the traditionalist stuff end up reading a lot of very old books with archaic ideas about society, and they are mining them for ideas that have been rejected by the mainstream that might still have great value. Sometimes that turns up gems. Sometimes they end up with 19th century “scientific” racism starting to sound reasonable to an impressionable young person. And then things generally go downhill from there. Especially when contrarianism is a strong motivator and/or personality trait, and they dig their heels into “anything that upsets minorities and women is brave and anti-PC, anything old is better than the new ways, anyone who criticizes these ideas is a Modernist heretic bla bla.”

    Even like, Chesterton, a trad darling if ever there was one, thought women shouldn’t vote, for instance. A young person who inhales GKC’s writings whole and spews them back out as their life philosophy will end up with that on board, because they aren’t reading him critically enough. And I have seen exactly that–angry young people insisting that women should not vote because of this and that argument from 1909.

    I’ve seen a fair number of young Orthodox men getting into this stuff on Tumblr, too.
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    Guest Jkjljmt_Pqprpstt • 3 days ago
    I’m so “proud” to be white… almost as proud as I am to be right-handed. It’s such an honor that I earned whitehood, it entitles me to so much, like reigning over the rest of the world in perpetuity.
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    Guest Guest • 3 days ago
    I am also proud that my kids won’t grow up where I did, where my granny’s house was shot up in the night during a driveby, where my white face made me a fearful minority- but instead my kids will enjoy the privilege afforded to whites and anyone who acts white enough (after affirmative action is through whitening them, of course.) It actually wasn’t that hard for me to accept being privileged after I realized that it meant I didn’t have to be trapped in self-loathing white guilt wishing for annihilation, like you, or trapped in a 3rd world festering hell hole, like my friends from the South Side.
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    Guest Guest • 3 days ago
    See below.
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    Guest Guest • 3 days ago
    Apparently few people can detect sarcasm anymore.
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    John F • 3 days ago
    I urge Mark and all of his readers to take JayMan’s words very seriously, and to read the introductory material on his website. “Human biodiversity” is a (obviously) real thing and by no means necessarily entails the value judgments progressives (and Christians) find so repugnant. Cogent political and social thinking MUST be grounded in a realistic anthropology, and research into human biodiversity gives us a mass of valuable data on the purely objective side of the anthropological question.

    Best of wishes.
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    Jordan Bloom • 3 days ago
    Hi Mark. I’m a fan of your blog, and this post is funny, but I think you would do well to read the smarter people among the Dark Enlightenment before dismissing them all as white supremacist cranks. I don’t really see how this does anybody any good.

    I don’t think it implies a rejection of Christian universalism to note that public policy today is almost entirely based upon the premise of equality of aptitude, mental and otherwise, and that that has consequences. It’s just intellectually dishonest to conflate the two. In the public school system, our children are educated based on the idea that they all have identical mental aptitude. It isn’t true. The Dark Enlightenment is one of the only things out there that points that out — rather than these ridiculous conservative movement bromides about how the left has abandoned “true equality.” Yes, this attracts some crazy people. There are others that call themselves Nixon Republicans.

    The Dark Enlightenment, as I see it, is about getting out of the degenerative process that social equality creates — finding an ‘exit.’ One needn’t agree about the extent of degeneration, or even the source, to see the value of this type of thinking. This is the “Benedict option.” It’s free cities. It’s seasteading. One can even see echoes of this anti-democratic thinking as the Tea Party realizes democratic politics are not at all amenable to conservative ends, that’s why they’re starting to talk about things like an Article V convention and nullification.

    The neopagan thing is silly because that basically applies to the pre-neoreactionary alternative right — the Richard Spencer/Alternative Right type people, who often fell off the edge into neopaganism. Neoreactionaries tend to be atheists or Christians.
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    KittyAmerica Jordan Bloom • a day ago
    Jordan? The same one who goes by J. Arthur, who wrote this about the NPI conference last October for The Daily Caller?
    “It might seem that this is just a particularly nasty internet
    subculture, and it is, but their numbers are growing and they can be
    quite abusive, as a recent 20/20 report found.”
    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10
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    Irenist Jordan Bloom • 3 days ago
    As for Mark Levin-style embraces of Article V conventions, nullification, and suchlike, I think its just people trying to change the rules of the game because the electorate is getting to look less like them–“the 47%” and all that. It’s about stifling “voice” for others. But if it’s your thing, there are plenty of Tea Party groups in which to pursue it without veering into HBD precincts.

    “Exit” options like free cities and seasteading can be pursued amongst more standard issue Patri Friedman libertarian types. No need to go all Dark Enlightenment–although admittedly there is a fair amount of overlap. (E.g., Michael Anissimov, IIRC).
    If you want to pursue Dreher’s “Benedict Option,” go live in an intentional Catholic community. No need to bring any of this Dark Enlightenment Machiavellianism into it.
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    The Deuce Irenist • 3 days ago
    As for Mark Levin-style embraces of Article V conventions,
    nullification, and suchlike, I think its just people trying to change
    the rules of the game because the electorate is getting to look less
    like them–“the 47%” and all that.

    Sort of like how Catholics are trying to change the rules of the game and exempt themselves from providing contraception like everyone else. Sure, you all talk about “God-given rights” and “conscience” and “freedom of religion” and so forth, but we all know that’s *really* just a smokescreen for stifling the voices of women because you’re uncomfortable with an electorate that looks less like you, and hence all your concerns can be summarily dismissed with a bit of uncharitable psychoanalysis.

    (Sarcasm mode disengaged)

    Seriously, so many of you Catholics are your own worst enemies. I was infuriated by the contraception mandate when it first came out, and HHS’s blatant attack on the Catholic church, but recently I find myself less and less so. Why should I waste my time caring more about Catholics’ religious rights than they themselves do, even as they continue to dig their own graves while insulting the people trying to help?

    And if you don’t want people turning to the Dark Enlightenment, then how stupid do you have to be to respond to their concerns and questions with nothing more than pretentious sneering confirming their suspicions that you’ve got it in for them? If only one group is speaking to a person’s issues, that’s probably where that person is going to go.
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    Irenist Gay Rapist 69 • 3 days ago
    Nope. I respectfully replied to a seasteading fan.
    BTW: How long have you felt this way about Matthew Yglesisas? He’s married, you know.
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    chezami Mod Jordan Bloom • 3 days ago
    Nah. It’s racist bullshit.
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    Guest • 3 days ago
    Majority rule is just great when you are in the majority. A lot of young white males realize that they are not going to inherit the world of their fathers and grandfathers and will no longer be the majority, so of course they’re upset. They’re unable to find women who wait and dote on them like their grandmother’s generation. So when you are no longer the majority (due to immigration and drastically dropping birthrates among your group i.e. race), democracy becomes “demotive” and you want to replace it with a meritocracy and/or aristocracy that “naturally” puts your group back on top.
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    Guest Guest • 3 days ago
    I am a young white and Mexican male, and I grew up as a minority (for being a white face) in South Chicago where 19-year-old Kevin Baker (1.) was murdered this weekend for his cellphone, or for not wearing colors, or something- who knows. Who cares? I have kids and I fled that shit hole for lilly white Oregon. To say that I’m “upset” when I see the right people losing power, and the wrong people gaining influence, is funny. It is life and death for me and mine. You can call me a racist, but that’s not as bad as having dead kids, you fool. I can’t wait til you’re no longer “on top” and you get you some South Chicago, good and hard, and come crying to Oregon with your little ones in tow. We can have a beer and talk about how racist Mexicans and blacks are compared to whites (2.).
    1. http://www.breitbart.com/Insta
    2. http://www.rasmussenreports.co
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    Guest Guest • 3 days ago
    If you comment was directed at me, “Guest,” I don’t think you detected my sarcasm and/or drew the wrong inferences from my post. My fault for not writing more clearly I guess.
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    Guest John Flynn • 3 days ago
    “at the expense of the children whose parents and grandparents built this society.”

    Only white people “built this society”?
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    JayMan • 3 days ago
    It would be helpful to decouple the empirical matter of human biodiversity (i.e., the factual consequence of evolution by natural selection acting on humans) from political/religious/whatever ideologies.

    I talk about human biodiversity (and I’m Black). How do I fit in your system?

    About Me « JayMan’s Blog
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    Irenist JayMan • 3 days ago
    Ethnic averages tell us nothing actionable about individuals. Further, ethnic averages in traits like IQ seem to be determined by socioeconomic factors. See, e.g., http://www.theamericanconserva
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    JayMan Irenist • 2 days ago
    Ethnic averages tell us nothing actionable about individuals.
    Indeed. They do tell you about probabilities, however, without having any additional information to go on (though that’s a slightly advanced topic).

    Further, ethnic averages in traits like IQ seem to be determined by socioeconomic factors. See, e.g., http://www.theamericanconserva
    That piece is complete and utter rubbish. The short answer is that IQ is predictive of various outcomes despite poverty and economic development.

    See my discussion of the matter here:

    Welcome Readers from Portugal! | JayMan’s Blog

    and more on the topic here:

    HBD Fundamentals | JayMan’s Blog
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    Irenist Gay Rapist 69 • 3 days ago
    Whereas I would prefer not to live around racists.
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    chezami Mod JayMan • 3 days ago
    On the contrary, if you are going to talk about human biodiversity, you *must* talk about the fundamental insight of the Catholic faith that, whatever our differences in natural abilities, God is no respecter of persons and we are all beloved of God. Otherwise, post-Christian racialism will most certainly be the result, as so clearly evidnenced by the racialist bullshit of the DE crowd.
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    Tucker chezami • 3 days ago
    whatever our differences in natural abilities, God is no respecter of persons and we are all beloved of God

    All of the Christian Dark Enlightenment sites *do* believe this, Mark.
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    chezami Mod Tucker • 3 days ago
    I think that’s bullshit.
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    Chase JayMan • 3 days ago
    I’m not sure about the “system” people mention here, but I always thought of “race” as a perception created by the fact that populations living in certain local areas tend to keep certain traits among them when limited by geography — in other words, I think it’s more our social perception of shared traits among certain groups, but I think it’s largely illusory and has way more to do with how we perceive race culturally than any actual biological distinction (which I think is no deeper, or not much deeper between skin colors than hair colors).

    The absurdity of “race” as a category has go to be the US census and all the subcategories under “Hispanic” (I have a friend from Venezuela named Chwoschtschinsky who is “Hispanic”) … originally the word meant something similar to “nationality” (see “the Scottish race” etc.). Only in 19th century pseudo-science did people start to think of races as somehow immutable categories people fit into, and that was fed by pseudo-Darwinian (I don’t wanna blame the man for what was done in his name) polygenesis and the notion that we are in fact, *not* one human family. But Catholics reject this crap.
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    JayMan Chase • 3 days ago
    , but I always thought of “race” as a perception created by the fact that populations living in certain local areas tend to keep certain traits among them when limited by geography
    In other words, geography affects the course of evolution, through isolation and adaptation to local conditions.

    I think it’s more our social perception of shared traits among certain groups, but I think it’s largely illusory and has way more to do with how we perceive race culturally than any actual biological distinction (which I think is no deeper, or not much deeper between skin colors than hair colors).
    Or lactose tolerance?

    The absurdity of “race” as a category has go to be the US census and all the subcategories under “Hispanic” (I have a friend from Venezuela named Chwoschtschinsky who is “Hispanic”)
    The problems inherent to the classification of race (which is by nature fuzzy and resist crisp delineation) doesn’t mean there is nothing to a category like say Hispanics, or that they don’t have things in common with each other that are distinct from other groups in the U.S.
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    Chase JayMan • 3 days ago
    Cultural qualities, yes. Racial qualities, no, I refuse to accept that. At least no more than “American” is a race — “Hispanics” are just as racially diverse as US Americans, the major difference being cultural.

    Again, I do not doubt that as groups get isolated from one another, there are shared genetic features and characteristics, just as there are in families. But to pretend like there are immutable categories that can be neatly divided is utter crap.
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    Beadgirl Chase • 3 days ago
    Right. “Hispanicness” is about ethnicity (i.e. culture), not race or skin color, because Latinos come in every race and every combination thereof.
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    Guest Beadgirl • 3 days ago
    There was a time before “combinations thereof” and a time before the multicultural “culture” was forced on them to “combine” them. And in that time, yes, you have it right- multiple races existed. And it is those multiple races which make you a “racist” for having mentioned them. Stop noticing that race exists, you racist!
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    JayMan Chase • 3 days ago
    Cultural qualities, yes. Racial qualities, no, I refuse to accept that.
    Reality doesn’t care about what you want to accept.

    At least no more than “American” is a race — “Hispanics” are just as racially diverse as US Americans, the major difference being cultural.
    Did you visit the link I gave you? Did you read it?

    In fact, White Americans are on their way to becoming their own distinct group.

    Again, I do not doubt that as groups get isolated from one another, there are shared genetic features and characteristics, just as there are in families.
    That’s basically the essence of it all.

    But to pretend like there are immutable categories that can be neatly divided is utter crap.
    You may want to look into fuzzy categories vs discreet categories.
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    Chase JayMan • 3 days ago
    How are white “Hispanics” and black “Hispanics” any different from white Americans and black Americans?

    Why is a third-generation Argentine of Italian descent considered the same “race” as an Afro-Brazilian from Salvador de Bahía or a Maya Indian from Guatemala? That’s simply absurd.
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    Guest Chase • 3 days ago
    You don’t want to ask that question. Never ask that question. Just refuse to consider it, and leave it at that.
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    ManWithPlan • 3 days ago
    I don’t support most of what these guys stand for. But I’m wondering what you would suggest a young person in search of principles and meaning do, when mainstream Western religions have abandoned doctrine in favor of Oprah-style platitudes and New Age teachings.
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    Irenist ManWithPlan • 3 days ago
    Neither Roman Catholicism nor Eastern Orthodoxy has “abandoned doctrine in favor of Oprah-style platitudes and New Age teachings.” Anyone who thinks that post-Vatican II Catholicism represents nothing more than “Oprah-style platitudes and New Age teachings” is, to put it pointedly, a heretic.
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    C.A. Hurliman Irenist • 3 days ago
    the heretics brought you Vatican 2.
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    James H, London ManWithPlan • 3 days ago
    As CS Lewis said, it would be strange to help a man by cutting off one of his hands. Stick with the church, the Pope, the Catechism. There is nowhere else to go. Counter falsehood (where you actually see it, not just where someone shrieks about it) just by showing up.
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    Jared Clark ManWithPlan • 3 days ago
    Learn of legitimate Catholic Social Teaching. “Caritas in Veritate” and “Rerum Novarum” are two papal encyclicals on the subject. G. K. Chesterton wrote on the subject often, and there’s an economic movement, distributism, based on applying the teachings. (Not saying you have to be a distributist to follow the social teachings, just that it is one way to apply them).
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    Chase • 3 days ago
    One thing that always dismays me about idiots like this is that they tend to derail legitimate criticisms of political correctness, feminism, multiculturalism, etc. As far as monarchy is concerned, I am sympathetic to the old monarchies of Europe, but they are gone, and cannot be revived without heavy-handed actions no Catholic could support. However, I do think in the modern world we have become much too accustomed to the idea that the “endpoint” of political progress is democracy, a form of government I consider no better or worse per se than any other legitimate form, with major advantages and major problems of its own. That said, it’s what we have, and attempts to remove it will almost *always* be driven by more insidious, power-hungry elements.

    Anyway, all I wanted to say is that I hate when guys like this taint legitimate things with nonsense … it happens with liberalism, too, unfortunately. How many of you left-leaning folks out there have been accused of Marxism just because you support workers’ rights?
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    Stu Chase • 3 days ago
    But isn’t that the tendency? In an attempt to correct, we continually oversteer in the opposite direction. It’ either full rudder pedal to the right or full rudder pedal to the left instead of focusing on our course line. And it seems to me that Catholicism has been the steadying influence in the past to such a binary approach to steering.
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    Irenist Stu • 3 days ago −
    Stu: Right on!

    “People have fallen into a foolish habit of speaking of orthodoxy as something heavy, humdrum, and safe. There never was anything so perilous or so exciting as orthodoxy.It was sanity: and to be sane is more dramatic than to be mad.

    “It was the equilibrium of a man behind madly rushing horses, seeming to stoop this way and to sway that, yet in every attitude having the grace of statuary and the accuracy of arithmetic.

    “The Church in its early days went fierce and fast with any warhorse; yet it is utterly unhistoric to say that she merely went mad along one idea, like a vulgar fanaticism. She swerved to left and right, so exactly as to avoid enormous obstacles. . . .

    “It is easy to be a madman: it is easy to be a heretic.

    “It is always easy to let the age have its head; the difficult thing is to keep one’s own.

    “It is always easy to be a modernist; as it is easy to be a snob. To have fallen into any of those open traps of error and exaggeration which fashion after fashion and sect after sect set along the historic path of Christendom—that would indeed have been simple.

    “It is always simple to fall; there are an infinity of angles at which one falls, only one at which one stands. To have fallen into any one of the fads from Gnosticism to Christian Science would indeed have been obvious and tame.

    “But to have avoided them all has been one whirling adventure; and in my vision the heavenly chariot flies thundering through the ages, the dull heresies sprawling and prostrate, the wild truth reeling but erect.”

    —G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy, in The Collected Works of G.K. Chesterton, vol. 1 (Ignatius, 1996), pp. 305-6.
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  3. Conservatives? More like Coshervatives.

  4. countenance says:

    The forbidden fruit syndrome.

    Official Amurrika says that racism is bad.

    Therefore, young whites embrace it.

    • New England Millenial says:

      Yeah but that’s not good. “Forbidden-fruit syndrome” is one reason why liberalism became popular in the 60s. How do we ensure in a far-off future WN ethnostate that things don’t revert back after another fifty years for the young people.

  5. LaQueeta Jones says:

    Goerbels saw this at the1936 Olympics. YKW media were trying their usual smear tactics. G didn’t worry. He warned them that they were just marketing his ideas rather than shaming like they thought. ‘Violence attracts as many as it repels.’

  6. Jon says:

    Kahnservatives (a.k.a., Neo-Cohens).

  7. tteclod says:

    Thank you for these links, especially new republic. The Mahatma Gandhi comment was priceless. To paraphrase: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” We’re at stage 2. Get ready for stage 3.

  8. The writers of the two pieces MW linked to, seemed concerned conservatives won’t be able to co-opt the movement for fear of being called out as white traitors. HHMMM… Yes, they’re trying to laugh at us, though I can smell the fear of their concerns, it seethes through their writing’s .

    That missing 7 million white voters must of spooked the Republicans and TPTB…

  9. Craig says:

    Another point the Neocons and subversive antifna types are pretty much trying to paint White Nationalism as Multiculturalism for white people all over the fora for years… the colourism Cly mentioned seems the direction they be going. So IMO the Anglo supremacists are more worried they can’t co-opt the movement via dog whistling in politics, that is for sure.

    Calling out white traitors for their lies must be having a greater affect on state and local politics.

    More articles on the dark enlightenment will continue IMO.

  10. clytemnestra57 says:

    Yes it did. I was watching Faux News to witness and LMAO over Roverrated’s meltdown over Obama’s win. Mind you Obama’s first term was so horrible that they were sure they could run a ham sandwich against him and beat him.

    Had the same number of folks that had held their noses and voted for McShame just done the same for Mittens, Obama would have been a one-term president. Of course, they are making a big point of publicly swallowing the koolaid that it was a bunch of Mexican immigrants and their families who are upset with Republiscum for not voting in amnesty that tanked Mittens, but that was not the case at all. Though more POC voted for Obama there was not a big enough spike to prevent a Republiscam victory if only those seven million White voters had not gone MIA.

    I honestly think that Whites were turned off by the fact that the only part of FEDGOV’s domestic budget the Repugnants was interested in eliminating were middle and working class entitlements like Social Security and unemployment. No mention was made whatsoever about cutting welfare benefits and of course, there was no mention in cutting aid to Israel. Just the idea that if Israel wanted us to attack Iran and Syria, the Republiscum would make it happen.

    But I think the final straw was how quickly Mittens reversed himself on border enforcement and “evolved” on comprehensive “immigration” reform. It didn’t take him more than twenty-four hours after winning the primary to dump the White chick he brought to the dance to chase after that hot Latina chick. Those seven million viewers naturally acted like a woman scorned.

    I hope the Repugnants learned something from those MIA voters. For years they have been dealing Whites this Implicitly White Double-cross, arrogantly thinking Whites have nowhere else to go. Yes, we do. It might take longer, but if we refrain from voting at all to make the Repugnants go the way of the Whigs and the Democrats screw things up so badly that even Democrats can’t stand them, then we create a newer, explicitly White party. No more dog whistling, no more bullshit games, no more betrayals.

  11. Mosin Nagant says:

    ‘My friends, your upstart cult of Catholicism is a criminal cannibal cabal built upon lies and fabrications’

    That was a good comment I noticed.

  12. Ryu says:

    The occult principle is “that which we repress, grows stronger.”

    WN gets stronger in the dark. Anything does. By repressing us, they improve us. If they really wanted us to weaken, they’d hand us our victories.

  13. Jeff Albertson says:

    “I hope the Repugnants learned something from those MIA voters.”
    They did. That’s why they’re trying to further restrict or eliminate the Primary process in order to make sure they never give another Ron Paul a huge national audience and platform to use their own insincere posturing against the “Presumptive Nominee”. They are now the equivalent of the “bad guy” in professional wrestling, “losing” the match but filling the seats. The people who finally woke up are gone for good. I say we all vote for Hillary and then quit our jobs; see what happens when it’s all stick and no carrot…

  14. Countenance 24/01/14/1518: In the matter of “forbidden fruit,” our Jewish fellow Earth-walkers have significantly erred in trying to dogmatize their proprietary narrative of their People’s ordeal in the Second World War. By so doing, they are only making that proprietary narrative, the “Holocaust” so-called, irresistably attractive to aficionados of forbidden fruit, who will search for the thread to pull to unravel, if not the entire narrative, at least a crucial part thereof.

    It is not as if genocides have not happened in the past. Too, I suspect it is only human nature to obsess over a past genocide against one’s own People. One must not forget that they are human, ergo fallible; they err, just as we do.

  15. ben tillman says:

    Catholic boy inadvertently spills the beans on the popularity of White nationalism!

    Biggest pussy on the internet. He’s a heretic, and he bans people who point it out.

    • mindweapon says:

      Interesting. Tell us more how he is a heretic. It sounds like you are familiar with him.

      • ben tillman says:

        I got to the site and found out I was banned. I couldn’t remember ever having been there, but then I saw the name “Mark” and it started to come back to me. I think I hit him with the fact that the legitimacy of racial self-defense is a corollary of Catechism 56 and/or the fact that a call for racial suicide as a path to salvation is contrary to THE BIG ONE: John 3:16.

        In short, his anti-Whitism is heresy

      • mindweapon says:

        Can you expand on that? What is Catechism 56 and how is it a corollary of racial self defense, and how does John 3:16 relate to racial preservation?

      • ben tillman says:

        I’m not really familiar with him; I’m familiar with the argument, which I picked up from “Walter Yannis” at Original Dissent a long time ago.

        Here is Catechism 56 followed by the first of half of 57:

        56 After the unity of the human race was shattered by sin God at once sought to save humanity part by part. The covenant with Noah after the flood gives expression to the principle of the divine economy toward the “nations”, in other words, towards men grouped “in their lands, each with [its] own language, by their families, in their nations”.

        57 This state of division into many nations is at once cosmic, social and religious. It is intended to limit the pride of fallen humanity united only in its perverse ambition to forge its own unity as at Babel….

      • ben tillman says:

        John 3:16 is often considered the centerpiece of the New Testament:

        16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

        That’s it. The sacrifice of Jesus is sufficient. To say otherwise is heresy. You can’t require racial capitulation as a condition to salvation.

        The notion that you *can* require it seems even sillier when you consider that the whole sales pitch of the religion (conveniently stated right here in this passage) is ETERNAL LIFE. You can’t claim that eternal life is achieved through SUICIDE. That’s lunacy.

      • mindweapon says:

        Thanks! I’ll be sure to use this argument when I meet Christians.

    • Denise says:

      My posts were pulled, and I am banned.

      However – one of the PC posters brown-nosers specifically cited my posts. In order to insult me, of course. But “why”? My posts seem to really irritate people. Hhhmmmm….

  16. Denise says:

    Sigh. I just got blocked on another “Conservative:” site.

    The Machers are REALLY trying to drown out dissent. It won’t work…

  17. Denise says:

    A second “Conservative” has not blocked me. However – I am now unblocked on a site that blocked me before….

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