I will post the audio when I get a chance. He was ready for it, and claimed that all the research about plasticization of the oceans was wrong and he cited some research for which he did not provide links or search terms. He also talked about how he goes and does beach clean up (he’s such a good person!) and only rarely finds any plastic on the beaches.
Here’s what I said:
If you like seafood, if you want your grandchildren to be able to eat seafood, you should support banning plastic altogether because, plastic is killing the oceans. The free market can very efficiently kill the oceans, Peter, unless we stop it. Don’t take my word for it, look it up on google for yourself, do a search on the great pacific garbage patch and plastic is killing the oceans
I made this lobbyist’s appearance on the Peter Schiff show more damaging to his cause than if he had not come on at all. If it wasn’t for him, no one would have had any reason to talk about the plasticization of the oceans. He inadvertently and unintentionally gave a reason and an opportunity to talk about the plasticization of the oceans. Notice how I appealed to something Peter would understand, “you like seafood.” He might not care about the abstract idea of the ecology, but he certainly likes fresh marine fish like bluefin tuna, cod, marlin and such.
To Peter’s credit, he gave me the last word, and I told the audience to “look it up for yourself.”
(CNN) — A marine expedition of environmentalists has confirmed the bad news it feared — the “Great Pacific Garbage Patch” extends even further than previously known.
Organized by two non-profit groups — the Algalita Marine Research Foundation and the 5 Gyres Institute — the expedition is sailing from the Marshall Islands to Japan through a “synthetic soup” of plastic in the North Pacific Ocean on a 72-feet yacht called the Sea Dragon, provided by Pangaea Exploration.
The area is part of one of the ocean’s five tropical gyres — regions where bodies of water converge, with currents delivering high concentrations of plastic debris. The Sea Dragon is visiting the previously unexplored western half of the North Pacific gyre — situated below the 35th parallel, and home to a massive expanse of plastic particles known as the “Great Pacific Garbage Patch” — to look for plastic pollution and study its effect on marine life.
Leading the expedition is Marcus Eriksen, a former U.S. marine and Ph.D student from University of Southern California.
Our nets come up with a handful of plastic fragments at a time, in every trawl we’ve done for the last thousand miles.
Marcus Eriksen, expedition leader
“We’ve been finding lots of micro plastics, all the size of a grain of rice or a small marble,” Eriksen said via satellite phone. “We drag our nets and come up with a small handful, like confetti — 10, 20, 30 fragments at a time. That’s how it’s been, every trawl we’ve done for the last thousand miles.”
Eriksen, who has sailed through all five gyres, said this confirmed for him “that the world’s oceans are ‘plasticized.’ Everywhere you go in the ocean, you’re going to find this plastic waste.”
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Besides documenting the existence of plastic pollution, the expedition intends to study how long it takes for communities of barnacles, crabs and molluscs to establish, whether the plastic can serve as a raft for species to cross continents, and the prevalence of chemical pollutants.
On a second leg from Tokyo to Hawaii departing May 30, the team expect to encounter material dislodged by the Japanese tsunami.
“We’ll be looking for debris that’s sub-surface: overturned boats, refrigerators, things that wind is not affecting,” Eriksen said. “We’ll get an idea of how much is out there, what’s going on and what it’s carrying with it, in terms of toxins.”
Scripps Institute graduate Miriam Goldstein was chief scientist on a similar expedition to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch in 2009. According to her research, there has been a 100-fold increase in plastic garbage in the last 40 years, most of it broken down into tiny crumbs to form a concentrated soup.
The particles are so small and profuse that they can’t be dredged out. “You need a net with very fine mesh and then you’re catching baby fish, baby squid — everything,” Goldstein says. “For every gram of plastic you’re taking out, you probably take out more or less the equivalent of sea life.”
We don’t necessarily want an ocean stuffed with barnacles
Miriam Goldstein, scientist
Scientists are worried that the marine organisms that adapt to the plastic could displace existing species. Goldstein said this was a major concern, as organisms that grow on hard surfaces tend to monopolize already scarce food, to the detriment of other species.
“Things that can grow on the plastic are kind of weedy and low diversity — a parallel of the things that grow on the sides of docks,” she says. “We don’t necessarily want an ocean stuffed with barnacles.”
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Eriksen says the mood on the Sea Dragon has been upbeat, with crew members playing a ukulele and doing yoga, “but the sobering reality is that we’re trawling through a synthetic soup.”
Also on board is Valerie Lecoeur, founder of a company that makes eco-friendly baby and children’s products, including biodegradable beach toys made from corn, and Michael Brown from Packaging 2.0, a packaging consultancy.
Eriksen says they have been discussing the concept of “extended producer responsibility”.
“As the manufacturer of any good in the world today, you really can’t make your product without a plan for its entire use, because you could eventually have 7 billion customers buy your product,” he said.
“If one little button has no plan, the world now has a mountain of buttons to deal with. There is no room for waste, as a concept or a place — there’s just no place to put it anymore. That’s the reality we need to face. We’ve got this plastic everywhere.”