More on Chinese achievement in the US; Racism equals Success!

From Steve Sailer’s blog, Sailer’s commentary is bolded.

Why Asian American kids excel. It’s not ‘Tiger Moms.’
Why do Asian American students outpace everyone else academically?
The most publicized attempt to answer that question — a few years ago, by Yale Law School professor Amy Chua — set off a controversy that rages to this day.
Chua’s answer, originally set out in a 2011 Wall Street Journal opinion article “Why Chinese Mothers are Superior,” was that “tiger mothers” were prepared to coerce kids into doing homework and practicing the piano, in part by calling them names. Chua (who’s latest book is “The Triple Package: How Three Unlikely Traits Explain the Rise and Fall of Cultural Groups in America) held herself and her academically successful children out as examples.
But a new study published in the journal “Race and Social Problems” by two California scholars takes on Chua, suggesting that with all the economic resources at her disposal — she and her husband are Yale professors with highly-educated parents — her children’s success is just as likely the result of socioeconomic and cultural advantages, generally cited by scholars as the main reason some children do better than others.
The authors of “The Success Frame and Achievement Paradox: The Costs and Consequences for Asian Americans” are Min Zhou, professor of sociology and Asian American Studies at the Univ. of California at Los Angeles, currently on leave at Nanyang Technological University, and Jennifer Lee, professor of sociology at the Univ. of California at Irvine.
A better way to understand Asian American academic success, they write, is to look at families who don’t have resources and succeed nonetheless.
That is exactly what they’ve done. And their findings are pretty straightforward: Young Asian Americans have all kinds of good role models to emulate.

So, it’s not Tiger Moms per se, it’s Tiger Co-Ethnics.
Their communities and families make sure they get extra help when they need it. Their families, even on limited resources, manage to seek out and move to neighborhoods with good schools. And they aspire to success with specific goals in mind: medicine, law, engineering and pharmacy. And they aim for the best schools.
It’s not about coercion or some mysterious ethnic gift, they write. It’s about the way they view their horizons, with extraordinarily high expectations — so high that kids who don’t rise to the occasion feel like “black sheep” and “outliers.”
Zhou and Lee studied Chinese American and Vietnamese American communities in Los Angeles without a lot of financial resources or parental higher education — factors that tend to skew other academic studies of success.
They focused on two groups: the so-called “1.5 generation” — foreign-born immigrants who came to the United States prior to age 13 — and second-generation families. They conducted 82 face-to-face interviews to get a picture of why these communities are doing so well in advancing their children through high school and college.
Here’s what they found: Although their means are limited, Asian families in the study choose neighborhoods carefully to make sure schools offer honors and advanced-placement courses. To do this, parents use the “Chinese Yellow Pages,” which the researchers describe as “a two-inch thick, 1,500-page long telephone directory that is published annually and lists ethnic businesses in Southern California, as well as the rankings of the region’s public high schools and the nation’s best universities.” They also make sure their kids get plenty of supplementary help such as tutoring.
These families have incredibly high standards, according to the study. If kids come home with a 3.5 grade-point average, parents are disappointed that it’s not 4.0 — and they show it. …
Both groups in the study, Zhou and Lee reported, adopt a similar “frame for what ‘doing well in school’ means: getting straight A’s, graduating as valedictorian or salutatorian, getting into one of the top UC (University of California) schools or an Ivy, and pursuing some type of graduate education in order [to] work in one of the ‘four professions’: doctor, lawyer, pharmacist, or engineer. So exacting is the frame for ‘doing well in school’ that our Asian respondents described the value of grades on an Asian scale as ‘A is for average, and B is an Asian fail.’’’
Such high standards have positive and negative impacts, the researchers found.
If expectations are that high, many young people will try to meet them. They will get into Stanford and they will get that PhD.
The downside is that those who fall short — the ‘A-minus’ student’ — wind up feeling alienated from their ethnicity. In short, they feel less Asian and more, well, American.
They describe a young man named Paul who chose to be an artist instead of following the path prescribed by his parents. He called himself “the whitest Chinese guy you’ll ever meet.”
They tell of one young woman they interviewed, Sarah, who when asked whether she feels successful compared to her friends who are not Chinese, pauses “as if she had never considered that comparison before and finally replied, ‘If I were to look at my white friends of that same age range, yes I’m more successful. If I were to look at all of my friends, yes, I would say so.’”
They write:
Sarah is not unique in this regard; none of the 1.5- and second-generation Chinese and Vietnamese respondents considered measuring their success against native-born whites (or native-born blacks for that matter). Rather, they turn to high-achieving coethnics as their reference group — a finding that highlights that native-born whites are not the standard by which today’s 1.5- and second-generation Asians measure their success and achievements.
…So strong is the perception that the success frame is the norm among Asian Americans that the 1.5- and second-generation Chinese and Vietnamese who cannot attain it or choose to buck it find themselves at odds with their immigrant parents and with their ethnic identities.

In other words, slacker Asians are more likely to assimilate into white culture in high school, for which they are castigated as ethnic outcasts by their relatives: No True Chinaman Gets a B-Minus!

By Steve Sailer on 4/08/2014 50 comments


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12 Responses to More on Chinese achievement in the US; Racism equals Success!

  1. Maureen Martin, Aryan Street says:

    Oh and we mustn’t forget the cheating factor. An acquantance of mine who claims to have a lot of Asian friends who were attending college told me that he was told by them very frankly, “If American students want to compete with us, they will have to cheat because we cheat.”

    And in Corona del Mar California which is 88.9% White and only .3% Asian, a tutor named Lai (ahem, Asian) appears to have taught his students to hack into the schools computer systems and change their grades. Lai is no where to be found for questioning though.

    Finally, I had a male Japanese co-worker when I worked in real estate who was considered a failure because he wasn’t a doctor. His domineering mother let him know what a disappointment he was every day of his life.

    • Anon says:

      “If American students want to compete with us, they will have to cheat because we cheat.” – And once that road is started down: The number one cheat is to keep them out.

  2. vikingbitch says:

    Reblogged this on vikingbitch's Blog and commented:
    Good God Mindweapons, are you secretly Chinese!
    Can you please try to highlight the positives of White Culture and achievement? Can we stop hearing about the blasted ethics of Tiger Mom or the machinations of the Jews? Really, it gets old.
    You see my friend, while all the Chinks are busy cheating their way through school, which in the end will bite them in their flat rice patty arces, Working Class Whites are just secretly working around the system.
    The public school systems that have been taken over the NWO and Multi Cult are just out to create a cast of cookie cutter kids – thats why the Chinese excel, because Conformist Communism is their brand. Always has been, and always will be. The more stuff changes, the more it stays the same.
    I won’t be buying Tiger Mom’s book anytime soon.

    I recall years ago meeting an Indian guy on the train in Philly. At the time I was 35 and working to get preggo via Intrauterine Insemination because me being a white blonde Aryan looking female makes me villified by every male out there so I had to ‘get amoeba’ and procreate on my own. Upon telling this Indian guy my plan, he replied “White Americans always find a way to do things…..”

    That’s right Indian bros. Whites always working around the box – we do not get boxed in and we do not conform. That has been our strength, always has been, always will be.
    NWO = Conformity
    NWO Public Schools = Cookie Cutter Kids
    NWO Education = Fits Communists, Unfit for White Kids (esp, males)

    Conformity to NWO = Death to Whites

  3. TabuLa Raza says:

    a bitchin comment, Vbitch. [“bitchin” coined circa 1961 in South Bay beaches (south of LA)- a surfing expression] Here is a bitchin link:

  4. Paladin Justice says:

    Good grief, I taught at a university that had some Asian students. They were nothing like those described here. They were B to C students. One was a girl from Japan. Many were Vietnamese. This is Texas. There may be something going on with California Asians that didn’t go on with the ones who came to Texas. Anyway, there’s too much generalizing by Sailer.

  5. Sam says:

    For VikingBitch here’s some links to old fashioned fairy tales to read to your kid. You might want to look for the “My Book House” series. I remember reading these under the covers with a flashlight when I was very young. I can’t remember what exactly they were about but mostly wholesome fairy tales sort of stuff. They had bad things happen but there was always a moral message with each story. Link about,

    Search for “my book house pdf”

    Here’s one link,

    Lots of great reading for kids.

    There’s also a series I read called “The Jack Tales”. Same as Jack and the bean stalk. Jack is a bit lazy and usually tricks the bad guys when he’s in a bad situation. Might want to preview these before reading.

    There’s also a lot of collections of tales other than Aesop’s free on the web.

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