Missionaries versus Anthropologists

So I will start with trying to accurately represent my blog dissenters’ views, a courtesy I wish they would reciprocate. It is interesting to note that Denise uses a particularly irritating polemic device of attacking a misrepresentation of what I wrote, rather than engaging what I said.

I know that I am writing clearly because Clytemnestra and Hipster, among others, make comments that engage what I am saying more completely. Cly calls it the “Cultural Anthropology Approach.”

Denise writes that I am foolish to imagine that I can have any long term influence over any Jews. I believe I stated this view of hers accurately.

My response is that attempting to have long term influence over Jews that I encounter is one among many things I attempt. Sure, it’s one of many, many things I attempt. It’s a big game to me, with very low risk. Denise seems to think I’m risking something, or am in danger of “being fooled by Jews,” as if one cannot have casual social contact in the world with people without being at a risk of them somehow “getting me,” or “screwing me over.”

So what if a Jew with whom I have casual social contact, “reverts to type?” Is that somehow going to be bad for me? By contrast, it would be fascinating for me! I’m not trying to convert Jews to anything the way a missionary does. I’m all about gentle manipulation, to see if I can “herd” someone in a certain direction without their realizing they are being herded at all!

It’s an influence game with anybody and everybody I meet. Every person I meet, I drink them in, I look into them deeply, to see what makes them tick, and I try to get a positive emotional response out of them. I believe I am able to do this because of a regular qigong practice for many years. My energy is sufficiently purified that I can perceive the energies of others. What I want to say is that it’s something anyone can develop. It’s not some inborn talent. I remember not having it.

Mosin has asserted that what I am doing will not work. Here’s his quote:

This Nice Portlandian Hipster strategy cannot succeed, because to imitate we must admire and appreciate, and we must BECOME what we imitate. Tradition and truth, not taqiyya and trickery!

Really? We must BECOME what we imitate? Just because? It’s impossible to infiltrate a social group and keep one’s deeply held beliefs? This is here be dragons again. Don’t go there! You’ll become corrupt! You’ll lose your purity of hate!

This is the same argument that Glenn Miller made against the Market Dominant Minority Entrepreneur strategy. He said that if a WN made a bunch of money, he’d take a suitcase full of cash to Las Vegas and forget the Cause.

Too much Happiness will Corrupt you! Watch out! Here Be Dragons!

My experience is exactly the opposite, Mosin and Denise. One of the big weaknesses of WN is a lot of turnover. People come and go. Five years is about the limit. They burn out on rage. They can’t sustain it. You can’t go around angry all the time. The Rage-Aholics disappear after 5 years, and generally don’t accomplish much of anything real in those 5 years, because it takes much longer to have real accomplishments.

I don’t want you guys to burn out on impotent rage. Failing to move beyond impotent rage leads to one of three outcomes — drop out, go on a violent rampage/get in trouble with the law, and/or turn traitor. Most just drop out, thank heavens. The other two options are horrible.

Why the impotent rage? Because the world isn’t doing what the Missionaries want it to do, and the Missionaries can’t accept that. The Rage-Aholics are frustrated Missionaries.

WN 2.0 are Cultural Anthropologists. We don’t preach or proselytize. We learn about our subjects, and then we can use this knowledge to reflect it back to them, so when we talk to people, it’s as though our voice is speaking their own thoughts. People love when you do that for them/to them.

Our “converts” should not even know they were converted. Taqqiya and Trickery, Fuck Yeah!

There are two kinds of people who go out to meet foreign people; Missionaries and Anthropologists. Missionaries seek to mold everyone to their ideal, and not just to get them saying “Jesus,” but often radically change a native, primitive culture to dress in Western clothes, use modern devices, and give up their old ways. Anthropologists, in stark contrast, study the native people and want to change as little as possible about them. They fear the “observer effect” of their presence, and would ideally be flies on the wall watching them, or perhaps via hidden cameras.

The CIA used to use missionaries; these days they prefer anthropologists.

Missionaries have answers.

Anthropologists have questions.

Missionaries want to be seen.

Anthropologists want to blend in.

Missionaries teach the natives to speak English.

Anthropologists learn the native language and don’t want their subjects to learn English.

Missionaries teach, preach, proselytize and convert.

Anthropologists learn, write about what they are learning, and develop a body of work about the subject people, so they know more about those people, than the people themselves.

Louis Theroux fancies himself an anthropologist, but he’s a missionary all the way.

Here’s a Cultural Anthropologist/Gamer/Spy in action:

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82 Responses to Missionaries versus Anthropologists

  1. Denise says:

    I’m sorry is my polemic devices irritate you.

    • Denise says:

      P.S – I’m not raging at all.Never have. I think tha you ideas about doing things to make one’s own life, and by extension, one’s family and friends and Race’s lives better are grand,

      Trying to influence Jews to act in our favor ia a complete waste of any White’s time.

      • Denise says:

        PPS – you are beginning to do the Hunter Wallace “categories” thing. Tsk sk tsk….

      • mindweapon says:

        Yes, because people who synthesize their observations into categories are stupid.

        What’s the matter with Hunter Wallace anyway? He is married, has a White child and will be getting more. He will probably raise those kids reasonably well, so they’ll stay White. He does White activism without his life getting blown up. Amazing!

      • Trying to influence Jews to act in our favor ia a complete waste of any White’s time.

        You are missing the point entirely. We are not trying to “convert” Jews into being pro-white. We are influencing Jews to act a certain way that is in our favor without them realizing the significance.

        You think this is impossible because you can’t do it. But I’ve influenced many Jews to do things in my favor personally. What makes you think we can’t do it collectively?

        I consider Jews to be “just people.” I don’t think they are literally Children of the Devil with some sort of special Jew Power.

      • ben tillman says:

        You think this is impossible because you can’t do it. But I’ve influenced many Jews to do things in my favor personally. What makes you think we can’t do it collectively?

        I consider Jews to be “just people.” I don’t think they are literally Children of the Devil with some sort of special Jew Power.

        They aren’t “just people”. They’re part of a higher-level organism composed of “individual” Jews.

        Of course, anyone with “the right stuff” can get “individual” Jews to do things to help him personally — I certainly can — but that’s all done on the understanding that their part of the bargain is not going to hurt the Tribe. Being a Jew means putting the group first, when push comes to shove.

    • mindweapon says:

      Try responding to the full breadth and width of what I wrote, rather than picking out little bits and blowing some minor detail up into a lot of things they aren’t.

      I addressed your criticisms succinctly. Try responding to what I said about them. For example, that being a Cultural Anthropologist in the world is somehow going to lead me to getting in a positoin where I trust Jews and they compromise me?

      • clytemnestra57 says:

        MW,

        The beauty of taking the Cultural Anthropological Approach is that it is the most painless way imaginable to extract valuable information. There was an interesting show that I watched where this lady discovered that babies of all races had a universal way of expressing hunger, pain, feeling soiled, and wanting to be cuddled. She was going to write a book for new mothers to buy.

        The average person of any race or background, unless they are hopeless psychopaths or sociopaths, WANT to be helpful, because they see themselves as capable people with valuable insights to share. Helping someone validates them.

        So, the underlying opening of a CA Approach is how do YOU deal with THIS problem or situation? What works for YOU? How did YOU avoid the trap so many others fell into? What are YOUR insights? What would YOU do? People open up like flowers to sunlight and believe it or not, they DO have a lot of valuable, helpful advice.

        For example, if a group of Whites who wanted to start their own business consortiums followed the advice of that Jewish guy. (Where those who are already successful try three times to help their brothers get their own niche). Can you imagine where the White community would be right now?

        We have got to stop ignoring good advice from people we don’t like. Good advice is still good advice.

      • mindweapon says:

        We have got to stop ignoring good advice from people we don’t like. Good advice is still good advice.

        When Aryan Skynet becomes self aware, it doesn’t matter who threw the switch.

      • ben tillman says:

        The beauty of taking the Cultural Anthropological Approach is that it is the most painless way imaginable to extract valuable information.

        Where did Denise question this approach? Perhaps she has used this approach to reach her conclusion that the “Jonathans” can’t be “turned”. And through my studies in cultural anthropology, as well as biology and history, I agree with her conclusion.

      • mindweapon says:

        Ben,

        If you read from the beginning, I’m not trying to turn Jonathans into anti-semites. I cited a book, The Lion of Judah, where an East German spy masquerades as a British MI-6 agent, and manipulates a high ranking Mossad director.

        What I said to to is to get Jonathans to do things for us while we pose as Kosher Approved Patriotic Americans or even as Patriotic Jewish Americans attacking the “bad Jews who are bad for the community.”

        Read the book.

        http://www.amazon.com/Lion-Judah-Victor-Ostrovsky/dp/0312100167/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398076931&sr=8-1&keywords=the+lion+of+judah+victor+ostrovsky

        Are your studies in Cultural Anthropology from books or from life experience? The Jewish community has loosened up and softened up since the days of rabbis saying, “I know the Mets won and you are happy, son, but was it good for the Jews?” There’s still some of that, but the Jews themselves are degenerating, assimilating, and intermarrying.

        You want to tell me that we can’t take advantage of the fact that millions of Jews are blowing off their own tradition, attending their temples a few times a year if at all, and marrying non-Jews? Did you see the movie Heights? That movie is about something that is playing out all over the country. There’s a scene where the rabbi says, “Why are you breaking your mother’s heart marrying the shikse?” Jonathan doesn’t even know what a shikse is, and the rabbi pretends it was a joke.

    • Denise, why do you insist on conflating all Jews with their billionaires? I mean, only the most ignorant Black and Mestizos assume that all White people are rich. My path has never crossed with a Michael Bloomberg, a George Soros or a Sheldon Foxman. Any more than my path has crossed that of Warren Buffet or Richard Branson.

      My path has crossed with Jews who do not appear to be living any larger than the rest of us. Whether we want to admit or not or even do anything about it, these are the same type of Jews who have either suffered from or are in danger of suffering from FEDGOV’s anti-White policies. Chandra Levy is the poster Jewish victim of our country’s anti-White immigration policies. I know a lot of WN say Jews aren’t White, but in the Cannibal’s Pot, they are the Other White Meat and every bit as tasty.

      Frankly, I don’t expect or particularly want all Jews to take a page from Brother Nathaniel Kapner’s book and turn on their heritage. I do think it is possible for your average Jew … the wo/man on the field, so to speak, to realize that their own interests (like life, liberty, and security) are best served by, if not a Pro-White agenda, one that is not so virulently Anti-White, because to most Non-Whites, there is no distinction between the guy weariing a yarmulke and the guy who isn’t. Indeed, to most Non-Whites, Jews are the most privileged of Whites.

      Now, don’t get me wrong. I am not telling you to be Nice.. From what I saw watching the Young Turks clip, Naughty seems to be working very well for you. In fact, Naughtiness from the right person can be very effective at puncturing a lot of pompous pricks out there. For those who have the gift of Naughtiness or outrageous snark, I say go with it, but not everyone can handle it. Instead of coming off Naughty, they just come off Nasty, like me. It’s better that they either try to be Nice or just zip it altogether.

      • mindweapon says:

        Now, don’t get me wrong. I am not telling you to be Nice.. From what I saw watching the Young Turks clip, Naughty seems to be working very well for you. In fact, Naughtiness from the right person can be very effective at puncturing a lot of pompous pricks out there. For those who have the gift of Naughtiness or outrageous snark, I say go with it, but not everyone can handle it. Instead of coming off Naughty, they just come off Nasty, like me. It’s better that they either try to be Nice or just zip it altogether.

        Clytemnestra,

        I second that. My writings are not a rebuke to Denise doing her things her way. My writings are about my approach, the Cultural Anthropology Approach.

        I think we should try multiple approaches and see what shakes out. Denise mocks, but she mocks a straw man, not what I actually am saying.

        I don’t have any desire to discourage Denise’s efforts. I don’t presume to have the monopoly on what works. But what I am trying is novel (for us) but is based on historical precedence and what worked for Chinese and Jews and Indians.

      • ben tillman says:

        Denise, why do you insist on conflating all Jews with their billionaires?

        Because THEY insist that they are inseparable.

  2. Denise says:

    Re: Carl Linnaeus – I wonder how he would classify and name the biology running loose in Sweden, now?

    You just used the polemic device that you say irritates you so much. Thanks – that is amusing.

    Nothing’s wrong with Hunter. He’s let Hebes take over his blog Comments; it’s the Dalton the Jew and his marvelous Lamplighter thingy blog now – but he’s busy with his wife and child, and I wish them all success. and happiness. Truly.

    It’s kewl – if this gets Hebes off his back, while making babies helps – great. It’s why I have retired from making comments. Fighting with his Kosher posters is a waste of my time.

    You may want to note the ONLY complaint I have with your tactics is the concept that the Jonathans can be co-opted. They’ll see that nonsense coming a mile away. Even if they kvetch to you, about something the don’t like – they will always revert to type. Always. Without fail. The only time they will work to benefit us is if it benefits them – but them the same sick historical patterns of parasitism and abuse remain firmly locked into place.

    How does that benefit us, in the end?

    They’ve always been sucking on our blood supply. They try other Hosts, for awhile – but it’s never as sweet to the taste as White blood. wouldn’t it be great to try a civilization without them? For once?

    More and more public officials are naming the Jew, around the world. It’s a trickle now – we ought to be pointing Murkins in the direction of “why”. They give us every opportunity to do so.

    You are trying to pull your Time in the movement creds on me – but in this case, I think you are taking the wrong tack. I know you;ve done a lot of amazing things – but youngsters, who are less well versed in Time and Tide – well – it’s better to Eschew the Jew.

    I was never a Liberal, by the by.

    That’s all.

    • They’ll see that nonsense coming a mile away.

      She thinks Jews are smarter than us. They may be smarter than her, but I’ve convinced many Jews – and Jewesses for that matter – to do things that were not in their interests, but were very much in mine.

      wouldn’t it be great to try a civilization without them? For once?

      You can fantasize all you want about expelling Jews, but as you can see, the battle you are fighting has nothing to do with the real world. It’s a battle for you to have a blog to rant about Jews that is free from posters who you think are Jewish, hence, all your “fights” on OD. You stopped posting there because there were posters that you think are “kosher” and Hunter Wallace didn’t ban them.

      Remember, you have a similar strategy towards men on blogs who say things about women you don’t like. You call them “fags.”

      So the battle for you is an online blog battle against Jews and Fags, and you can tell who is a Jew or a Fag by the types of comments they make.

      You’re being silly. This is what happens when Catholics stop attending Mass.

      • Denise says:

        Yes. Getting Jews to give you blow jobs is the HEIGHT of White Advocacy. I understand your brilliant, long-range perspective on how to “influence” Jews. Having tons of BJ’s with eager, wiling open-mouthed Kike-esses REALLY have done so much for the welfare of Whites You are so very smart to be able to control them this way. You name will ring in the annal of White Advocacy fro Time immemorial!!! Huzzah!

        Please thrill us with your dazzling vision of freedom and achievement, again, of Genius Hero of the White Race!

    • mindweapon says:

      You may want to note the ONLY complaint I have with your tactics is the concept that the Jonathans can be co-opted. They’ll see that nonsense coming a mile away. Even if they kvetch to you, about something the don’t like – they will always revert to type. Always. Without fail. The only time they will work to benefit us is if it benefits them – but them the same sick historical patterns of parasitism and abuse remain firmly locked into place.

      And what I have told you is that nothing is at stake if they revert to type. That becomes an interesting thing to note in a Cultural Anthropological study.

      One thing I have observed is that Mid level Jews (fortunes in the millions or tens of millions) living among the Christians/Gentiles long enough assume that everyone in their social class or not too far below it, thinks like them, admires what they admire.

      The Mid Level Jewish businessman I spoke with never dreamed I would have anything but admiration for “hard working hedge fund CEO’s who work 100 hours a week.” I saw his Jewishness, his difference; he saw my middle classness, my similarity to him. I was the crypto, he was the unsuspecting Establishment type. We had reversed roles.

      Fascinating!

      WN’s are the Jews of the 21st century, the outcasts, the cryptos, the persecuted religious minority.

      Am I going to try and get him to do things for me? Not at this point. But I learned from this interaction. I learned what they don’t do.

      This Jewish businessman did not look at me and think, “Goy.” He didn’t reallize that hedge fund bosses are schande far di goyim. He thought, “middle class American like me, we all aspire to be hedge fund bosses.”

      I don’t want him to ever acquire Jewish consciousness, even as I make sly references to banking as a broken utility, like electricity that goes out, or water that is not potable.

      I plant that idea in his mind, and in the minds of anyone, Jewish or not, who is able to understand. Banks don’t pay interest any more. What’s up with that?

      We don’t need to hammer the ideas at people. We can afford to be subtle. The smart ones will put 2+2 together:

      1. The economy is a public utility

      2. Someone broke the utility.

      3. Who broke the utility?

      4. Everyone already knows who broke the utility,they just don’t know that they know yet.

      • crunchie says:

        I like the way you give the jewish business man the puzzle pieces and he then proceeds to put puzzle together in his own head.
        Jewish history has a pattern in which the elitesters annoy the aryans till the aryans are stewing with rage, then something happens(the king welshes on his debts to the jew) then the jew is public enemy #1. The elitster/moneylender jew can scram and the common jew has to wait and whether the anger of the angry aryan.
        There is a space for a wedge there.

        The viper is not half as dangerous without his grass to hide in.

        With regards your anthropologist argument “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles… if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle”

    • mindweapon says:

      Re: Carl Linnaeus – I wonder how he would classify and name the biology running loose in Sweden, now?

      Are you saying I don’t name the Jew? We talk about Jews all the time here!

      Oh, I don’t call them bloodsuckers and parasites like you do. Well, I want to be able to stand behind what I write on the internet. I may get outed someday. They know who I am.

      You guys are saying that I’m not “real” because I avoid offensive language, because I don’t call a spade a spade. Why is that so important? We know the history. I’m not being Captain Obvious enough? I’m not proclaiming my undying hate sufficiently enough for your religious sensibilities?

      More and more public officials are naming the Jew, around the world. It’s a trickle now – we ought to be pointing Murkins in the direction of “why”. They give us every opportunity to do so.

      Go to any Matt Taibbi article on site or forum where it isn’t strictly moderated. Go to Zero Hedge. Zero Hedge comments are indistinguishable from VNN Forum.

      You are crashing through an open door, demanding that I carry coals to Newcastle,that I add my voice to a choir of anonymous thousands of commenters. Teh redundant is redundant.

    • clytemnestra57 says:

      Denise, you wrote:

      You may want to note the ONLY complaint I have with your tactics is the concept that the Jonathans can be co-opted. They’ll see that nonsense coming a mile away. Even if they kvetch to you, about something the don’t like – they will always revert to type. Always. Without fail. The only time they will work to benefit us is if it benefits them – but then the same sick historical patterns of parasitism and abuse remain firmly locked into place.

      It always amazes me how outraged Whites get because Jews only act in their own self-interest. Is it because even the most stalwart of White people have been brainwashed into believing that actively pursuing one’s own self interest is evil? No wonder we are getting our asses handed to us by every Non-White collective imaginable.

      I don’t think Jews only working with people if it benefits them makes them evil; it makes them pragmatic. Moreover, I believe that White people who believe that only working with people if it benefits them is evil are crazy-stupid. We have crazy-stupid in action with all these White Christian Churches bringing In Somali Muslims as one key example of stupid-crazy.

      No one is talking about hard-core recruitment of the Jews into David Duke nationalism. What we are talking about is breaking through their Holocaust Indoctrination to help the Jonathans see that it ultimately harms them more than help them if they allow Big Jew to turn the neighborhoods they themselves share with Whites into multicultural hellholes. If we can help them see that fifty Channon Christians being raped and murdered by Non-Whites is not worth it if just one Chandra Levy shares her fate. But to George Soros and Sheldon Adelson, Chandra Levy is expendable as collateral damage that is worth it if fifty Channon Christians die. I don’t think Levy’s parents would agree with them.

      No matter what their elite tell them, the Jonathans will ultimately suffer our fate. Interacting with them as neighbors who share their concerns (safe, clean neighborhoods and schools, not paying an arm and a leg in taxes to support welfare queens, etc.) hammers that theme home to them.

      You say that there is a Hive MInd to Jewry. Well, what if enough Jonathans have enough friendly interactions with their White neighbors, what if enough Jonathans have been forcibly enriched by diversity that they go back to the hive with those experiences and insert the idea that Jews ARE some sort of White tribe and its best that they align with White interests?

      You can scoff if you want to, but why not try it anyway?

      • mindweapon says:

        No one is talking about hard-core recruitment of the Jews into David Duke nationalism.

        Denise is a notorious constructor of straw men, and fisherwoman of red herrings.

      • mindweapon says:

        You say that there is a Hive MInd to Jewry. Well, what if enough Jonathans have enough friendly interactions with their White neighbors, what if enough Jonathans have been forcibly enriched by diversity that they go back to the hive with those experiences and insert the idea that Jews ARE some sort of White tribe and its best that they align with White interests?

        You can scoff if you want to, but why not try it anyway?

        Why not try it indeed! Will you go to prison for trying? No.

        Is it absolutely impossible, like trying to fly a Cessna to the moon? No. Not to paraphrase Sting but they share the same biology. They are Human, All Too Human. As Arnold Schwarzenegger said in Predator, “If it bleeds, we can . . . ” oh, bad quote.

        There is no such thing as Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Robin, or Super Hive Jewry. The Hive has had a good run, but it is made of Human, All Too Human. It has chinks in the armor; the Jewish Hive can be infected, infiltrated, hacked, or otherwise compromised.

        Jews are certainly eugenicists and have been so for millenia. The Kevin Macdonald books show this. Does that make them Super Human though?

        I say that Jewish genetic enhancements have been neutralized by the internet and the easy availability of information.

      • Denise says:

        I’m not going to scoff at you. I think you are quite brilliant, in most ways, an I’ve leanred a lot fomr you, UI stand by my words, and my position – but I shall trouble you know more.

        Did you enjoy The Jew Porn Advocates despicable insult?

        That’s the company you keep, now, Cly. Good luck with that.

      • mindweapon says:

        You’ll be back, Denise.

      • clytemnestra57 says:

        Denise, are you familiar with that old Aryan saying, courtesy of the Persians, “Dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on?” I have no interest in the insults of The Jew Porn Advocates, because I don’t hold their remarks worth listening to. Allowing people to annoy you distracts you from your mission. Better to annoy them by tuning them out and staying focused on your mission.

        The difference between us is that you think ALL Jews are degenerates who want to harm us. I have met too many Jews that are just trying to live their own lives and mean us no harm. On the other hand, not ALL degenerates who mean us harm are Jews. I have run across too many Whites I would not turn my back on for a New York second. I find I can avoid degenerate Jews. Degenerate Whites are much harder to avoid.

        You may be right; being neighborly and extending the most basic courtesies to the Jews who live in our community may be a waste of time, but it costs nothing and might yield some positive benefits. So, AFAIC, there is nothing to lose and something to gain. Because most people, of every walk of life, are inherently decent; they may not be more inclined to help, but they may be less inclined to harm. I’ll settle for even that much.

      • ben tillman says:

        Denise is a notorious constructor of straw men, and fisherwoman of red herrings.

        I don’t know about that, but she’s not doing that here. She is taking issue with your suggestion that we can get Jews to do espionage and become traitors against their people.

        You can scoff if you want to, but why not try it anyway?

        She didn’t tell you not to try it; she told you it won’t work. And she definitely didn’t tell you not to perform open-source intel on Jews. Y’all are strawmanning her critique.

      • mindweapon says:

        Well, she certainly didn’t do her critique in a diplomatic way. Her overblown and mocking writing style was a distraction.

        Telling us not to try it versus saying it won’t work is a distinction without a difference.

  3. The subway station in that video brings back a lot of memories, the 1 and 9 line. I could tell you stories …

    I would not take this idea *too* literally, but let’s look at the WN 2.0 Espionage Model.

    We have our open source intelligence agency, Aryan Skynet. Just like the CIA, we do research and analysis of various trends and publish those trends. Allies, adversaries, and neutrals all have access to this information. None of it is secret or classified.

    Then, we have independent operators. This is the closest to what MW is talking about. Individuals living their daily lives, often using taqiyya to conceal their motivations, can act as “change agents” by spreading memes, gathering intelligence, and doing independent operations. Befriending adversaries and influencing them on an individual basis and recruiting friendlies. This is an interesting idea, but it does have limited effectiveness, since there is really no coordinated plan, and a small group of loosely organized people can only do so much.

    The third stage would be a real covert ops arms. This is mostly a fantasy at this point, but it’s probably within reach in the near future. Does anyone know about the ADL spy scandal from the 1990s? The ADL actually recruited various people in law enforcement agencies, governmental organizations, and political groups to spy on their targets. The Scientologists actually inserted hundreds of assets in various governmental groups in the 1970s. As I said, mostly a fantasy, but I’ve given this a lot of thought and think something like this could very well develop.

    Then, there is White Nationalist Sim City. This is PLEs, All American C-Stores, rural and urban families cooperating with each other, high investment parenting, and the like.

    Then, we have Public Relations. This is Mantra/BUGS, blogs, polemics, art, culture, and music.

    At some point, we do have to move from implicit whiteness to overt whiteness – openly organizing politically for our own interest. Third parties like A3P are a time sink – good for messaging, but third parties don’t actually win elections. It would likely be better to form a White Interests Caucus in the GOP. You push your ideas in at the party level, but hold your nose and vote for your rivals that actually win – until you get into a position where you can start winning elections too.

    • mindweapon says:

      The third stage would be a real covert ops arms. This is mostly a fantasy at this point, but it’s probably within reach in the near future. Does anyone know about the ADL spy scandal from the 1990s? The ADL actually recruited various people in law enforcement agencies, governmental organizations, and political groups to spy on their targets. The Scientologists actually inserted hundreds of assets in various governmental groups in the 1970s. As I said, mostly a fantasy, but I’ve given this a lot of thought and think something like this could very well develop.

      It’s much more doable than the hot lead and cold steel fantasies.

      • When the Hot Lead and Cold Steel advocates point to something like the IRA, I have always objected because (leaving aside it’s all so much Red Dawn Wanking Fantasy) there is no civil society in which some sort of paramilitary group could hide in. You have to have a civil society that supports the cause, and we don’t have that.

        Well let’s take the ADL as a model. At Level Zero there is the Jewish Community. At Level One, there is B’nai Brith, the Freemason club for Jews. At Level Two, there is the ADL itself, the above ground, public relations organization. At Level Three, there is Covert ADL, their black ops and espionage arm.

        So, how would we build something similar? Well, our Level Zero is the White Community. It’s not nearly as tightly knit as the Jewish Community, but it’s much, much larger. So we’d have to play to our strengths, we don’t have the tight coordination, but we do have the numbers.

        Level One is the White Lodge. This is non-political, this is a small subset of the White Community that is organized socially, non-politically, and not for any particular cause. It’s probably best to keep this implicitly white for now. Plenty of members would be overtly racially conscious, but many would still be just implicit. It’s at this level everyone gets side tracked about creating some new white religion. I’ve advocated this sort of things many times before, but it’s easy – trivial – to start a Generic Church that acts as essentially a community organization, tax free, with a wide latitude of freedom from government interference. It’s totally non-political and only interested in the well being of the members. It’s at Level One you build the PLEs, the All American C-Stores, the rural/urban family networks sharing resources, and the home/church schools. This is also a good level to recruit at, because you offer a specific material benefit to the recruits.

        Level Two is the White Defense League. This is funded by taking a cut of the “dues” of Level One organizations. This level has a staff, publishes a website, engages in rhetoric and political activism, makes fundraising appeals, and endorses politicians.

        Level Three is Covert WDL, an internal, classified division within WDL, perhaps wholly independent with no official ties.

        Now, this is all so much White Nationalist Sim City, I’ll admit. It’s probably more effective to just help out with Mantra/BUGS, or just skip Level One and go straight to some sort of Level Two, funded by random interested whites. That’s the traditional strategy of the National Alliance, American Renaissance, the A3P, and other type groups. It may be best to simply focus on fundraising from existing Level One organizations – various conservative churches or community groups, interested Mormon groups, various existing fraternities, a Ron Paul mailing list, that sort of thing.

        But if you take this Four Level model and run various scenarios with it, it’s at least an interesting intellectual experiment, that may even clarify things.

        What is the goal? Well, the goal is the 14 Words, of course. Level Zero and One are all about families and logistics, this is where MW’s farmer ideas fit in. Level Two is where you get political opposition, but as long as you play it like AmRen, you’ll be mostly ok. Plus, they can’t really stop a virtual Level Two online organization – Aryan Skynet blogosphere is essentially a virtual Level Two organization.

        Now if you want to go 4th Gen wargame (war GAME, as in 100% legal and non-violent) take a look at the Breivik manifesto. It actually describes a well thought out totally decentralized terrorist strategy. If we could adopt the strategy – minus the terrorism – we could possibly perform some sort of judo on our enemies.

        We have the vision – the 14 Words. We have the logistics – White Nationalist Sim City, taking over economic niches, PLEs. We have a strategy – BUGS, restricting immigration, campaigning against anti-white policies. Soon we’ll develop the modus operandi – coordinated mindweaponized action.

      • mindweapon says:

        Plenty of members would be overtly racially conscious, but many would still be just implicit. It’s at this level everyone gets side tracked about creating some new white religion. I’ve advocated this sort of things many times before, but it’s easy – trivial – to start a Generic Church that acts as essentially a community organization, tax free, with a wide latitude of freedom from government interference. It’s totally non-political and only interested in the well being of the members.

        Omg, if it doesn’t name the Jew it’s a non-starter! /sarcasm

      • Anon says:

        Even if infiltration not successful, you still type up their resources on counter-intelligence, and that also tends to have them stepping on each others toes.

    • Rita Rabbit says:

      “Third parties like A3P are a time sink – good for messaging, but third parties don’t actually win elections.”

      Whites have not really given the party a chance. They just keep saying we can’t win. Not with THAT attitude we can’t.

      It is called the American Freedom Party now, by the way. They are running candidates in local (more winable) elections now.

      I am aware that the other side doesn’t play fair and that they could do to us what they’ve done/do to Golden Dawn. Still it’s a start and we will have done our due diligence to try to go about this non-violently to start with. If suspect our enemies will strike back with violence and then our good people will naturally respond in kind. I’m not promoting it, just predicting it.

      Different approaches for different people though. I just try not to cast aspersions on anyone’s positive action, even if I don’t agree with it.

      • @Rita Rabbit

        Third parties – of any kind – can’t win in US elections. It has nothing to do with what the party stands for, it’s a technical issue related to how the party system and elections work in America. There is wide support for libertarian ideas in America, but the Libertarian party never wins, and never will.

        The American Freedom Party would be better off as an American Freedom Caucus of an existing political party. This is just a logistics issue. I think the messaging of A3P/AFP is great.

      • Mr. Rational says:

        You’d need freedom caucuses in both parties, else the one party could just take you for granted.  Knocking off anti-freedom candidates in party primaries would be an immense help.

  4. Denise says:

    I can and have influenced Jews, in the past. I don’t want anything to do with them now. At all.
    Every-one must make their own choices.

    • ben tillman says:

      It’s been 16 years since MacDonald finished his trilogy. He told us that the Jews are outcompeting us by pursuing a group strategy while we pursue an individualist strategy. What that means is we can never think about any Jew as being separate from the group. Yet here we are.

      • mindweapon says:

        Ben,

        It’s a continuum. They aren’t a perfect Hive, like bees or ants after all. Jews are mere mortals, and possess free will as individuals, as we all do. That’s a lever. I advocate that we use the lever of individual Jews that we know, to work on influencing the Hive, or at least causing dissension within it.

      • ben tillman says:

        No, they aren’t as cohesive as social insects. I don’t believe anyone has “free will”, but of course Jews (like others) can make decisions based on the expected consequences of their actions judged aagainst their values and interests. Obviously, it is possible to point out likely consequences and suggest how they may be in the Tribe’s interest.

      • wobbly says:

        It’s in our nature to project individualism onto others – can’t be helped, just minimized.

      • mindweapon says:

        Jews have a lot of European in them. Speaking in genetic determinist terms, this means that Europeanized Jews would have individualist tendencies. My experience is that this is the case. Lots of them are intermarrying; they don’t go around thinking “is it good for the Jews” or think much at all about their Jewish identity.

        I’m waiting to try out the whole “Holocaust is the wimp libel” line.

  5. thordaddy says:

    I think the thing that makes the “racial purists” so suspicious is there continual conflation of the ethnic Jew’s self-annihilating “nature” with “Jewish supremacy.” Jews qua Jews are anti-Supremacists. The Jewish collective across the board denies objective Supremacy and seeks “equality.” At the same time, “racial purity” is conceptually vacant. To “believe” in “it” is to DENY one’s own free will and the free will of all white men.

    • mindweapon says:

      The Jewish collective across the board denies objective Supremacy and seeks “equality.”

      that’s not true. Even the left wing seculars like Dvd Pkmn believe themselves morally and intellectually superior, not equal.

      • thordaddy says:

        All that says is that the anti-Supremacist needs to constantly lie to themselves.

        If one does not believe in objective Supremacy — which happens to be an Orthodox and/or secular Jew, BY SELF-CONCEPTUALIZATION — then all talk of “supremacy” from a Jewish “intellectual” is TRULY self-delusion. It is an attempt to obscure the self-annihilating “nature” while simultaneously perpetuating that same self-annihilating “nature.”

      • mindweapon says:

        Fuzzy thinking, Thordaddy. Dvd Pkmn and Tm Wse see themselves as like high priests of morality — they are Moralist Supremacists, and Moralism is a claim of authority over the rest of us. Ergo, supremacism.

      • thordaddy says:

        I’m not talking about the supposed “exceptions” to rule… These Jewish individuals you speak of are actually spiritual and intellectual degenerates (read: not actual Jewish Supremacists) and if a “white” individual follows their lead then said “white” individual is on the path to self-annihilation (as are his “preachers”).

        I am talking about the Jewish collective… That “thing” that MacDonald claims unconsciously follows their collective ethnic interests. That “thing” that WN assert has no true free will and thus not ultimately accountable for their already determined actions.

        The Jew qua Jew is an anti=Supremacist… He rejects objective Supremacy…

        And it does not matter whether he is Orthodox or secular.

        Ask any of those above if they are actual Jewish Supremacists? The very label suggests the conversion of the Jew away from something Orthodox and leftist.

      • mindweapon says:

        Thordaddy,

        you say it does not matter if he is Orthodox or secular. Well here is a quote from an Orthodox, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson. Tell me how this is anti-supremacist. Or the morning prayer of an Orthodox Jewish man, “Thank God I’m not a woman or a Gentile.”

        “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: ‘Let us differentiate.’ Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of ‘let us differentiate’ between totally different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world.”

        Not that I’m criticizing them for believing this. I’m not, it’s their business, but of course, if someone else’s supremacism leads to actions that violate our rights, that is of course a problem.

        Listen to Andrew Breitbart tell Peter Schiff that Jews are liberal because of feelings of moral superiority over Middle America.

      • thordaddy says:

        MW…

        What I am saying is that if one identifies as an Orthodox Jew or a Leftist Jew then one is self-identifying as an anti-Supremacist.

        So you must distinguish between the radical liberationists who give lip service to a subjective “supremacy” for good or ill and the radical liberationists whose very “essence” lies in the denial of objective Supremacy.

        So your examples are of Jewish liberationists who are not actually answering the question of what they ultimately believe, but rather, are simply revelling in the relative ignorance of the “white” masses as it pertains to the question of objective Supremacy and the Jewish collective’s Orthodox AND Leftist rejection of said objective Supremacy.

        In short, the Orthodox Jew, like the jihadist, worships a radically autonomous god and denies the existence of the Perfect Man and thus rejects objective Supremacy while his leftist Jewish cohort simply denies objective Supremacy across the board by denying both the Perfect God and the Perfect Man.

  6. SomeAnon says:

    Any alternative movement can potentially draw psychotics, the mentally ill, and government operatives.

    If the goal is to keep whites of European descent surviving, thriving, and prospering, then that goal must be the focus.

    Everything else is a distraction.

  7. Steve says:

    MW
    You are wasting your time if you think that Jonathans can help us.
    Most of them are low level government employees and similar dead-enders.
    They have walked away from the Jewish nepotism network, which is by far the most powerful nepotism network in the world.
    Why? Because they have nothing to offer that network in return.
    What makes you think that they have anything to offer us?

    • crunchie says:

      If they cease to regard powerful ykw s as their co-brethren is that not a positive thing? Do we not wish to isolate our enemies?

    • mindweapon says:

      The Jonathans didn’t walk away consciously. They sleepwalk through life, like lots of people.

    • Steve, the Jonathans HAVE helped us. Big Jew has historically used the Jonathans to be THEIR eyes and ears in the White community. This has worked against us in the past as the Jewish shopkeepers of the South proved when it came to resisting integration. However, I will bet dollars to donuts that these shopkeepers came to the South after the War Between The States as carpetbaggers and were not the Jews who had lived there for generations before then.

      Yet, the same objection to MW’s proposal of infiltrating communities because one could inevitably end up assimilating to such communities and becoming what one despises applies here.

      Spies or sleeper cells who live deep undercover in an area for years become comfortable with and acclimated to their environment. They lose their effectiveness as hostile agents who might detonate at any moment. At best, they are barometers of the community they live in. I forget the name of the movie, but there was a Charles Bronson film where some rogue KGB guy was setting off these Russian sleeper spies by calling them up and reciting a Robert Frost poem to them. Well, the reality is that a cable series about Russian spies in the eighties, The Americans, was based on the Anna Chapman Farce.

      However, there are times when cultural enemies find that they both have mutual interests to defend and territory to protect and work together when those things are threatened. The French and English historically despise each other, but aligned against the Germans during two world wars. Even more recently, the Germans aligned with their former enemies, the French and the Russians against the Anglo-American policy in the Mideast.

      On a more macro level, there is Knockout King. When Jews found themselves to be unwilling participants in Knockout King, it made the news. The reportage even moved on to the usual outrages perpetrated upon Whites, like the Aussie jogger and Carter Strange and the Christians and Newsoms. Yes, it was unwittingly, but making sure that the media were “alerted” and were reporting it was a big help to us.

      The Jonathans CAN continue to help us. Hence the significance of the Knockout King Fallout. You want to know why the media suddenly became “aware” of the Anti-White violence with Knockout King? Because some idiot rabbi started screeching about Antisemitism. This, of course, created a backlash by fed up Non-Jews of all stripes who wanted to know why Knockout King was finally an issue now? That’s when the reporting quickly shifted to include the Aussie jogger, etc.

      The biggest problem in the past with the Diaspora is that ephemeral ties were established with the communities they lived in, because there was always a new, unwitting host to jump to next when the shit hit the fan. The internet has put an end to that. That’s why this dance YKW is doing with China (where the Talmud is studied and the Protocols is widely read) is so interesting to watch. The reaction of Kissinger et al to a people who have no illusions as to what they are bargaining for with YKW but are still prepared to let them in is kind of amusing. They are nonplussed. That’s why I don’t foresee a mass exodus there.

      There is also the fact that, with the USA and so many Western countries going broke, very shortly, any outside government support of Israel is going to inevitably put an end to the state of Israel. Not even the threat of Netanyahu et al saber-rattling with The Samson Option is going to get any blood out of that stone. Indeed, Kissinger himself has predicted that it is expected that Israel will no longer exist in another decade. So, ephemeral ties are no longer a viable option for Jonathan; better for him to stay put. But that means he ultimately and inevitably shares the fate of his neighbors, i.e. Knockout King.

      Thus, it behooves his neighbors to strengthen those ties, so that Jonathan feels a sense of ownership in and takes responsibility for what happens to his community. Once such ties are established, Jonathan can be a powerful asset to his community, because if he attended any kind of synagogue, his Talmudic training with its relentless request to exploit any ethical loophole in the Torah or any other religious/cultural system, enables him to effectively fend off any bullshit legislation which threatens his community.

      Stop bowling alone and be a good neighbor. Be the kind of person your neighbors want to stick around. Be of good service to whichever neighbor you can. If some thief is breaking into his house, don’t pull a George Zimmerman, but call the cops. If you have good mechanical skills and your neighbor is having car trouble, help him out. He’ll feel inclined to help you out when the time comes. Because one hand washes the other.

      • mindweapon says:

        Exactly, Cly. Work on the ground level. I’ve known a lot of WN’s, and the biggest problem they have is not getting along with people. THey don’t even get along with each other, and that’s why WN efforts so often fail.

        WN self selects people who are abrasive and don’t get along, so we have to strengthen that weak link in our chain, if we are to be strong.

  8. attila says:

    There seems to be a lot of internal confilct – it’s starting to look like Knesset in here. MW- with Hashem’s help, the center will hold (LOL). In every group, one will find a “strange attractor”- and in this blog’s case- the honor seems to fall on to Madame Denise.

  9. Time is the most precious thing. If you have time, do something constructive with it. Help other white people. Help a white person find a job, or start a business, or learn a skill. Help steer a white person away from bad behavior into good behavior. Help white people help white people.

    You can’t blame people for being angry, I’m very angry, and you can’t blame people for trying solutions that are presented as working. We don’t have permission to be political activists or media influencers, but we don’t need permission to use our own organic nature. Love, kindness, encouragement, strength, discipline, and creativity are our own gifts, an inheritance that can’t be taken away.

    Our heritage can and has been substantially degraded, but can’t be destroyed completely. The Empire is at the end of its upcycle, and our time is coming again.

    • mindweapon says:

      Great comment, Thrasymachus. It is pretty crazy that we are not allowed to be political activists or media influencers, not at all! So much Suppressed Energy!

      we don’t need permission to use our own organic nature. Love, kindness, encouragement, strength, discipline, and creativity are our own gifts, an inheritance that can’t be taken away.

      Being Energy Suppressed and having to draw on these basic resources of ourselves makes us stronger. Those who are given access to political influence have an easy, direct route, so they don’t develop a lot of personal character. Those of us who have to route through a lot of difficulty, develop the love, kindness, encouragement, strength, discipline and creativity all the more.

      When I meet liberals, we both know immediately who is stronger — spiritually stronger. I get a permanent grin on my face and a deep glint in my eye. They feel what it’s like to be reminded that their power is just establishment power, the power of officialdom. My power is raw energy coming out of the earth, and the anger energy of millions of my comrades.

  10. Denise says:

    What would Carl Linneas say about Sweden, today?

    Happy Easter, White Advocates.

  11. TabuLa Raza says:

    Vad ett gäng jävla idioter.

  12. TabuLa Raza says:

    The difference between us is that you think ALL Jews are degenerates who want to harm us. I have met too many Jews that are just trying to live their own lives and mean us no harm. On the other hand, not ALL degenerates who mean us harm are Jews. I have run across too many Whites I would not turn my back on for a New York second. I find I can avoid degenerate Jews. Degenerate Whites are much harder to avoid.

    The individual has a “fingerprint” identifying certain characteristics- so do groups. [The fucking mexicans down the street are playing that horrible music and I can hardly think straight] The group fingerprint is the probabilities within each group- the percent of the group with good or bad traits.

    Good traits would include intelligence, ingenuity, honesty, and so on. Bad traits would include lack of intelligence, violence, sloth, and psychopathy, and aversion to real [productive] work.

    Take negroes [please]. What % of the negro gene pool [group] invents anything? Zip. What % [of males] go to prison? 1 of 3. What fraction works,or wants to work? Small.

    Take jews [please]. What % of the jew gene pool invents anything? Zip. What % go to prison? Small. What fraction practices psychopathy? Large. What % does real work? Basically none.

    Take Whites. What fraction of the White gene pool invents anything? Unknown, but large. What % goes to prison? Small, mostly due to drug laws. What fraction are psychopaths? Small. What % does real work? Very very high, especially in older times.

    We praise and condemn groups due to the fingerprint of the group- the good/bad probabilities in each group. We favor Whites due to group tendencies, and same for blacks and jews.

    There is a sliding scale that X can happen from say 1 of a million [rare] to 100%.
    The black rate of felony is so high that it must be viewed as pertaining to the black group- not to isolated persons. Same for jew white collar crime- Madoff and Silverstein should be viewed as from the jew fingerprint [group probabilities] and not as isolated individuals..

    “Whites good” does not the mean the absurdity “all whites are good.” White goodness comes from STATISTICAL AVERAGES.

    “jews bad” does not mean “all jews are bad.” BUT IT DOES MEAN THE JEW GENE POOL IS BAD, and jews on average are bad, when looking at group tendencies.

    Goodness and Badness- the object of our study pertains to AVERAGES not individual cases. It’s like the “talented tenth” of the negroes- utterly irrelevant, like Jonathan.

    • mindweapon says:

      The Cultural Anthropology/Espionage approach does not depend on them being good or 100% trustworthy.

      The most important part of the CA approach is vacuuming up intel about how they operate and what they do that is effective.

  13. attila says:

    I learn more from a Jew than from someone like Madame Denise- who only seeks to be the center of attention. She’s probably attention-starved in real life.

  14. Wally D. says:

    Great thread. Lots of thought-provoking ideas. Thinking outside the box is where it’s at.

  15. TabuLa Raza says:

    We must recall that political views are largely inherited, based on identical twins studies.
    IQ is probably 80% inherited. I have a reputation [in the family] of “hating everyone.” And I haven’t even told them my WN views! [I got that reputation while I was still drinking]

    I basically hate conservatives for their acquiescing to big brother, and for for not being bothered by contradictions.. Example- Uncle Bill was second in command of DEA in SE Asia in the early seventies [got me a job as a merchant marine out of Singapore- connections rule] His wife said of Bill’s job “what a racket!” [Playing around in Kuala Lumpur]. Anyway, Uncle Bill’s son drank himself to death at age 36. THANK GOD ALCOHOL IS NOT A DRUG! It seems that these mid-level bureaucrats are just as trashy as the liberals- eminently hateable. And they hate any kind of idealism or challenge to the “statist quo.”

    There was poll somewhere on VNN- some kind of psychological test around two years ago.
    One of the outcomes was Mastermind. 2% of the general population scored there, yet 44% of WN scored as Mastermind! 22 times over-represented! This is astounding- WN are REALLY odd-balls. Maybe only a peculiar brain structure can visualize the need for separation.

    This must be found and archived!

  16. TabuLa Raza says:

    Found it online- Jungian personality types. INTJ- sometimes called Strategist; called Mastermind by David Keirsey. Here is a description:

    All Rationals are good at planning operations, but Masterminds are head and shoulders above all the rest in contingency planning. Complex operations involve many steps or stages, one following another in a necessary progression, and Masterminds are naturally able to grasp how each one leads to the next, and to prepare alternatives for difficulties that are likely to arise any step of the way. Trying to anticipate every contingency, Masterminds never set off on their current project without a Plan A firmly in mind, but they are always prepared to switch to Plan B or C or D if need be.

    Masterminds are rare, comprising no more than one to two percent of the population, and they are rarely encountered outside their office, factory, school, or laboratory. Although they are highly capable leaders, Masterminds are not at all eager to take command, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once they take charge, however, they are thoroughgoing pragmatists. Masterminds are certain that efficiency is indispensable in a well-run organization, and if they encounter inefficiency — any waste of human and material resources — they are quick to realign operations and reassign personnel. Masterminds do not feel bound by established rules and procedures, and traditional authority does not impress them, nor do slogans or catchwords. Only ideas that make sense to them are adopted; those that don’t, aren’t, no matter who thought of them. Remember, their aim is always maximum efficiency.

    Video Profile of a Rational In their careers, Masterminds usually rise to positions of responsibility, for they work long and hard and are dedicated in their pursuit of goals, sparing neither their own time and effort nor that of their colleagues and employees. Problem-solving is highly stimulating to Masterminds, who love responding to tangled systems that require careful sorting out. Ordinarily, they verbalize the positive and avoid comments of a negative nature; they are more interested in moving an organization forward than dwelling on mistakes of the past.

    Masterminds tend to be much more definite and self-confident than other Rationals, having usually developed a very strong will. Decisions come easily to them; in fact, they can hardly rest until they have things settled and decided. But before they decide anything, they must do the research. Masterminds are highly theoretical, but they insist on looking at all available data before they embrace an idea, and they are suspicious of any statement that is based on shoddy research, or that is not checked against reality.

    And here is your free test- we want [I want] all in the movement to take this:

    JUNG TYPOLOGY TEST

    This free test is based on Carl Jung’s and Isabel Briggs Myers’ typological approach to personality *.
    Upon completion of the questionnaire, you will:
    Obtain your 4-letter type formula according to Carl Jung’s and Isabel Briggs Myers’ typology, along with the strengths of preferences and the description of your personality type
    Discover careers and occupations most suitable for your personality type along with examples of educational institutions where you can get a relevant degree or training
    See which famous personalities share your type
    Access free career development resources and learn about premium ones
    Be able to use the results of this test as an input into the Jung Marriage Test™ and the Demo of the Marriage Test™, to assess your compatibility with your long-term romantic partner
    Instructions: When responding to the statements, of the two responses please choose the one you agree with most. If you are not sure how to answer, make your choice based on your most typical response or feeling in the given situation. To get a reliable result, please respond to all questions. When you are done with answering, press the “Score It!” button at the bottom of the screen. Scroll down to the questionnaire!

    http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp

    • mindweapon says:

      ENTJ
      Extravert(1%) iNtuitive(75%) Thinking(50%) Judging(56%)
      You have marginal or no preference of Extraversion over Introversion (1%)
      You have distinctive preference of Intuition over Sensing (75%)
      You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (50%)
      You have moderate preference of Judging over Perceiving (56%)

    • I think what MW is advocating is for people to take the xxxP approach. P, as in Percieving.
      Full disclosure, I tend to come up iNTP, with my i/e score being middling (~55%)

      What P types tend to do is try to see the world as it is as opposed to how they feel it should be. To put a cultural reference to it, Yoda would be close to iNTP while Emperor Palpatine would be close to iNTJ. (Both, I suspect, with middling i/e scores). INTJ would be the Missionary position, INTP would be the CA position. Both approaches have their place, you just have to find the right people for each job.

      MBTI is pretty fascinating stuff, but it’s still not the be-all end-all for understanding a person. Lots of singers are naturally E types, but I’ve known a lot of singers who are more introverted than I am, until you get them on stage, then they just explode with some sort of pent-up energy and it becomes awesome. That’s just one example where people are capable of diverting away from type on a situational basis.

      • mindweapon says:

        yes, that’s accurate, bringthereality. If you go out in the world, don’t proselytize, and prioritize being likable.

        In other words, be a politician! We can’t be Genghis Khan, so we have to be, to a degree, glad-handers, but not necessarily in a demeaning way. More about charisma practice.

  17. wobbly says:

    First things first

    “Here’s a Cultural Anthropologist/Gamer/Spy in action:”

    It’s just a Jew trying to have sex with blonde women.

    .

    “One of the big weaknesses of WN is a lot of turnover. People come and go. Five years is about the limit. They burn out on rage. They can’t sustain it. You can’t go around angry all the time.”

    This bit is true and very important. People need to be calm and keep the hate buried somewhere so it keeps burning brightly but quietly.

    .

    Onto the meat

    1)

    “I’m not trying to convert Jews to anything the way a missionary does. I’m all about gentle manipulation, to see if I can “herd” someone in a certain direction without their realizing they are being herded at all!”

    There’s nothing wrong with trying this. I’ve known people who’ve done similar with white leftist groups however if you want to manipulate Jews then you’ll be more effective if you take what Denise says as a blueprint. Jews are spectacularly paranoid. It’s what drives their hatred for White people – well for everyone really but White people are currently at the top of the list. And the reason is simple – being minority money lenders for thousands of years it paid to be paranoid. The more paranoid ones got out early every time Jewish money lenders crashed the local economy and the less paranoid stayed behind to face the angry mob.

    Evolution by angry mob is very effective.

    So if you want to your herd thing then use their paranoia.

    2)

    “It’s impossible to infiltrate a social group and keep one’s deeply held beliefs? This is here be dragons again. Don’t go there! You’ll become corrupt! You’ll lose your purity of hate!”

    If you want to do the undercover thing then the single most important talent is to be able to believe two completely opposite things at once or at least believe one thing in your head and at the same time be able to *convincingly* act like you believe the exact opposite.

    Good practice for that would be staying completely chilled by comments that are the exact opposite of your undercover persona. Ideal practice would be reading Denise’s comments while chatting to a mark on the phone at the same time and remaining completely chilled.

    • mindweapon says:

      “Here’s a Cultural Anthropologist/Gamer/Spy in action:”

      It’s just a Jew trying to have sex with blonde women.

      Wobbly,

      You jump to conclusions. That guy is Ian, a non-Jewish Welsh immigrant. Isabel had just broke up with her gay, Jewish fiance, and met Ian at a party. There’s a scene where Ian and Isabel are on the roof of a building, and Ian asks her, “What’s behind that door?” Isabel says she was never curious, so Ian says, “Shall we look?” and it’s a very beautiful Christian church. In other words, Ian is leading her back to her heritage.

      Think of the context. She just broke up with her Jewish fiance, and a very non-Jewish, Welsh guy opens a door to a church to her. That’s not an accident.

      The Jewish fiance, Jonathan, is wishy-washy, in denial about being gay, in denial about being Jewish, trying to be something he’s not — a rugged, heterosexual Gentile. Ian is the real thing — he fights off a mugger and rescues Isabel and gets stabbed right when he’s making her feel like crap for not knowing his name.

      You should see the whole movie — Heights. It’s anti-semitic and anti-cosmopolitan to the core, and realistic about gays.

      Not all criticism of liberalism comes waving a bloody flag and singing the Horst Wessel lied.

      • wobbly says:

        Most of my experience with Jews and Muslims being “secular” is it’s just about sex but maybe I’m wrong in this case.

        “Not all criticism of liberalism comes waving a bloody flag and singing the Horst Wessel lied.”

        That’s not my style. I do the kind of stuff you’re talking about and I personally know Jews well enough for them to joke about posting on Stormfront and other WN sites. Denise has a great nose imo.

      • mindweapon says:

        The Jews I know have never heard of Stormfront or White nationalism and wouldn’t know Abe Foxman from Michael Fox.

  18. mindweapon says:

    There’s nothing wrong with trying this. I’ve known people who’ve done similar with white leftist groups however if you want to manipulate Jews then you’ll be more effective if you take what Denise says as a blueprint. Jews are spectacularly paranoid. It’s what drives their hatred for White people – well for everyone really but White people are currently at the top of the list. And the reason is simple – being minority money lenders for thousands of years it paid to be paranoid. The more paranoid ones got out early every time Jewish money lenders crashed the local economy and the less paranoid stayed behind to face the angry mob.

    They are losing their vigilance after decades of assimilation. If you pretend to be liberal and intellectual, you’re in. If you speak a second language, even better. I speak Russian very proficiently; not fluently, but proficiently. I can pass for someone who immigrated from Russia or Ukraine to the USA as a child.

    • wobbly says:

      “I can pass for someone who immigrated from Russia or Ukraine to the USA as a child.”

      Very helpful in this context.

  19. wobbly says:

    @mindweapon

    “The Jews I know have never heard of Stormfront or White nationalism and wouldn’t know Abe Foxman from Michael Fox.”

    I’m not saying you’re wrong as there must be some but my experience is they do the thing you’re talking about instinctively and naturally – they’re *always* undercover because in their heads they’re always behind enemy lines.

    But saying that my experience is all big city so small town could be different – especially places where there isn’t a Jewish community as such just a family or two.

    I still think it’d be worth you setting a trap to test your hypothesis – a good way is to to deliberately use wrong information as people find it very hard not to correct you. It’s hard to imagine a context in which to test this but saying things like “Gabe Foxman” or “Abe Fixman” or “Stormflank”.

    (Those are terrible examples but you get the idea.)

    • mindweapon says:

      I get the idea. And yes, I do something like that. What I’ll do is pretend to bemoan Mel Gibson, and then mention Abe Foxman and the ADL and ask if they know about him, and how an Israeli made a terrible movie about the ADL called Defamation. Naw, they never heard of any of it, and the impression is that it’s not interesting.

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