Sparring with a Cultural Marxist infiltrator of the Orthodox Church of America

Figured I’d put it here since she warned she might not approve further comments. Wicked fun! And notice, no name calling (except Concern Troll), no slurs, no vulgarity, definitely no threats or fantasies of violence.

Light humor and gentle mockery and formal logic is exactly the right amount of “force.”

Jesus says be like children; children are racist; ergo, by the Transitive Property, Jesus commands us to be racist.

mindweapon

Maria,

How about this theology.

Jesus said to be like children:

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Children are racist:

http://www.newsweek.com/even-babies-discriminate-nurtureshock-excerpt-79233

Therefore, according to Jesus, being a racist or “phyletist” is not a sin.

on May 3, 2014 at 12:39 pm | ReplyMaria Gwyn McDowell
First: This article does not argue children are racist. It points out that children are aware of color from early on, and seek to understand their relationship to people of their own color and people of other color, and they notice the dynamics around color quite early: “Just as minority children are aware that they belong to an ethnic group with less status and wealth, most white children naturally decipher that they belong to the race that has more power, wealth, and control in society; this provides security, if not confidence.” The point of the article is that rather than assume that we should NOT talk about race, we SHOULD talk about it, earlier than expected in order to frame the what they see and address the racial stratification still embedded in our society. The observation of difference and how to relate with differences are two distinct issues.

Second: Orthodoxy believe in ancestral sin, that is, we inevitably embody the consequences of living among people whose relationship with God is broken (this is an Orthodox version of what is often called “original sin” in Western theologies. So, arguments that children observe racial differences does not affirm that racism is a part of being a child and something to which we should convert.

Third: 1 Cor 13:11: “When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways.” I will leave it to you to reconcile your reading of Jesus with a comment from Paul.

Finally, Mindweapon, unless you choose to interact with the substance of what I am saying in my post, I will no longer respond to or approve your comments. There are abundant resources which articulate clear Christian opposition to racism, even as Christians have been guilty of using their religion and scripture to defend it. You are clearly capable of using google to help you out.

on May 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm | Replymindweapon
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Maria,

You picked out a red herring. How about this:

Moody found that the more diverse the school, the more the kids self-segregate by race and ethnicity within the school, and thus the likelihood that any two kids of different races have a friendship goes down.

So being exposed to actual people of different races, and being afforded more opportunity to form friendships and relationships with people of different races, actually makes kids less likely to have cross-racial interaction. To know them (members of other races) is to prefer to avoid them, seems to be the motto of children.

Kids are natural segregationists. Jesus commands us to be like children.

By the transitive property, Jesus commands unto us to be segregationists.

Notice that one of us is able to express thoughts clearly and succinctly. The other one is very wordy.

Maria gracefully acknowledges that I won the debate on logical points — good for her!

Maria Gwyn McDowell
What can I say Mindweapon, I come from a wordy tradition which understands that simple logical properties are inadequate to expressing the fullness of our life in Christ. Guilty as charged.

Maria Gwyn McDowell
I am a “a Cultural Marxist infiltrator”. Awesome. Perhaps someone who is a friend of yours listed the following “facts” you can add to your arsenal:

[Here are some facts about Maria Gwyn McDowell](http://www.tradyouth.org/2014/05/re-to-my-white-nationalist-brothers/#comment-41989):
1) She is an outspoken feminist who tries to revise history.
2) She supports LGBT militant queer cultural Marxism.
3) She is openly anti-white

Oh, and I am a nun. Fortunately, a corrected misimpression.

on May 3, 2014 at 2:07 pmmindweapon
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Maria,

Do you support having openly gay priests? Female priests? Do you think Orthodoxy should support gay marriage and fly rainbow flags over the Hristos Nika churches?

You sure level a lot of criticism at your own church for not being liberal enough. There are lots of liberal churches already. Why join a conservative church and criticize it for not being liberal enough for your taste, when you could be a welcome part of any number of rainbow flag, gay friendly, neo-Babelist denominations?

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28 Responses to Sparring with a Cultural Marxist infiltrator of the Orthodox Church of America

  1. LadyGodiva says:

    If our ancestors were not “racist”, white people would not exist.

    If “racism” is a sin, then the existence of White people is a sin.

    If this anti-white tells White people that God thinks their existence is a sin, she is pushing us away from God.

    Therefore she is doing the devils work.

    • mindweapon says:

      LadyGodiva,

      I copy pasted this excellent comment over at Maria’s blog, with just a little bit of edit. Hope it’s OK.

      • Trainspotter says:

        Quality, incisive comments by LadyGodiva and MW, per usual.

      • mindweapon says:

        Thank you Trainspotter. To be perfectly honest, I learned that style of polemics from you and from Matt Parrott.

        Parrott’s reply to Maria at Trad Youth was pure virtuosity of polemics. He is like a Russian piano virtuoso or Renaissance artist of rhetoric and debate. When people actually engage us in debate, they aren’t ready at all. White nationalists have grown strong from the persecution.

    • thordaddy says:

      But the next step puts you smack dab in between demonization and bearing false witness…

      It’s a dangerous game and as you already alluded there is the desire to pull you away from God…

      These LIBERAL “Christians” seeking “salvation” through self-annihilation, i.e., flooding the “homeland” with aliens, need to be stripped psychologically naked before a serious project of demonization begins.

  2. thordaddy says:

    When Jesus tells one to be a child, he is telling one to go back to a time when one knew how to love the right “things…”

    Homosexuality…
    Miscegenation…
    Abortion…
    Divorce…

    These are all about adults believing they can “love” whomever they please and suffer no consequence.

    This is the belief of the self-annihilator. Only “adults” can be conscious self-annihilators for the children know exactly the right “things” to love… God, nature, parents, brothers, sisters… Their kind… They’re kind.

    Love like a child should be the takeaway lesson… Calling one’s self-annihilation “love” should be thoroughly exposed for the anti-Christian doublespeak that it is.

    • Rita Rabbit says:

      she quotes 1st Corinthians from the Bible. 1st Corinthians 13 1 says if you can speak every language it is no good without love.

      trying to love everyone in the world is like trying to speak many languages.

      I have seen it many times. These liberals try to save the world when their own household is completely screwed up. the Bible also says if you love not your own you are worse than an infidel.

  3. Bad Mr. Frosty says:

    Nobody is more “holier than thou” than a liberal “Christian”. God created diverse peoples and spread them throughout the earth. When you bring these people together and mix them, you are angering God by destroying his precious diversity. If he wanted all humans to be one generic “coffee-colored” people, he would have made them as such. Liberals play God by claiming they can improve upon his creation.

    Anti-Whites claim that when they bring all the people’s of the earth together and they become one people, a heavenly paradise will be created. This is similar to the “Tower of Babel” story in the Bible. That story ended with God scattering the people throughout the earth and confusing their language. Once again, it is God’s will that people remain separate.

  4. thordaddy says:

    But it’s not just “God’s will…” It’s God’s will to do all right. Liberal “Christians” desire to self-annihilate for “salvation.” Their understandings are clearly “liberated” ones.

  5. Occigent says:

    When I see the inversion of reality that the multicult has enabled I do wonder if “Thou shalt not commit adultery” is in fact a rule against adulterating the races.

    I do think that all churches reading it as such, at least for now, might be the biggest single step we could make in escaping the evil that envelopes us.

    • thordaddy says:

      And yet the next step is just a simple adherence to the First Commandment.

      There are no sides at the Table of Descent…

      The diverse manners in which one can self-annihilate “create” what appears to be a seamless circle.

      Almost all the West sit at the Table of Descent and squabble over “equal” seating…

      In this clichéd family feud is just the “right” blend of human emotion to keep any one “collective” (other than nerd) from noticing all the food is disappearing rapidly.

      Can white men sit a Table of Civilization, break bread and sip wine, and then pass this tradition on to their sons and daughters? On to their grandchildren? Will they break bread and sip wine with their familia at a Table of Civilization?

      The white man MUST love the RIGHT things… Or it is his descent into the abyss.

    • That is what Christian Identity types think. It makes sense.

  6. tteclod says:

    “Why join a conservative church and criticize it for not being liberal enough for your taste, when you could be a welcome part of any number of rainbow flag, gay friendly, neo-Babelist denominations?”

    To wreck it.

  7. TabuLa Raza says:

    1st Corinthians 13 1 says if you can speak every language it is no good without love.

    Well then, speak the language of love with John D. Loudermilk:

  8. TabuLa Raza says:

    Adultery can be traced back to the Latin verb adulterare (to mix, to adulterate)

    Notice the money supply is also adulterated, and by the same folks.

    I assert that ADULTERATION is the main modus vivendi of they who cannot be named

    And the entire culture is adulterated [watered down]. . .

  9. Cj aka Elderofzyklons Blog says:

    Reblogged this on ElderofZyklon's Blog!.

  10. TabuLa Raza says:

    Liberal “Christians” desire to self-annihilate for “salvation.”

  11. Attila says:

    I think it’s futile to argue with women about most things- it’s like trying to catch a fish with your bare hands. She sounds pretty sanctimonious to my jaded ears.

  12. Smiley says:

    Reply Mary

    I’d love to know more about your “jewish family members”?

    Please expand on this? Who were they? How did you become a Christian if your family were jews?

    Reply Maria Gwyn McDowell

    “My mother’s father was an adamantly secular Jew and her mother a non-practicing Methodist. As an adult, she fell in love with Byzantine Chant in Greece, and it led to her joining an OCA, the jurisdiction in which my sister and I were raised.”

    And there it is. She has the destructive Jewish genetics LOL. Honestly, Jews are genetically predisposed to infiltrate, antagonize, and destroy. This is a MAJOR flaw in Christianity, in that it does not address the racial nature of the JEW.

    • mindweapon says:

      Smiley,

      Maria Gwyn McDowell buttresses the idea that Jews are genetically predisposed to infiltrate, antagonize and destroy institutions.

      Interestingly, Maria seems to be doing this unknowingly or unconsciously! If she had any sense that she was an infiltrator, she would not have so freely admitted to being Jewish.

      So in a sense Denise and I were both right — Denise is right that they are genetically predisposed to be infiltrators and destroyers, but I am right that they may not even be aware that they are doing this.

      The latter aspect — their lack of self awareness, is a weakness that may be exploitable, likely by that favorite technique of the internal martial artist — redirection.

      To do that you’d have to become part of an institution as well and become a friend and confidant of a non-self-aware infiltrator, gain his/her confidence, elicit their values, and then gently convince them that their values are in line with something you want them to do. In fact, that’s how you pretty much accomplish anything in politics or business — figure out what someone else wants and/or manipulate what they want, and then it just so happens you have what they want or know what they need to do to get what they want. It’s all so simple, but not easy.

      • Smiley says:

        MW,

        I agree that you are both correct. The majority of YKW’s I come into contact with (SoCal boasts the highest concentration of YKW’s outside of Israel and NYC) would fall into the “unaware” camp. However, they are FULLY aware that they are YKW’s, and therefore gravitate towards the camp of YKW’s that is “fully aware” that they are infiltrators and destroyers. This is why they eventually become collectively despised.

        I would be interested in some of your preferred YKW-Jitsu techniques LOL. My preference in dealing with them is to keep it MINIMAL. I will utilize accountants, realtors, lawyers, and merchants ONLY when there is not another viable option. To me, the YKW doesn’t care about Win-Win, but only about WIN.

        A few weeks back I met with one who actually tried to convince me that putting a business “under his groups umbrella” would be in my best interest… CHUTZPAH!! My best YKW-Jitsu was squandering 2 hours of his time, politely excusing myself to consider his proposal, and chalking it up to another lesson learned. I always ask questions when I’m around these people, and it’s amazing how many are cut from the same cloth.

        The Man who wrote about them in 1924 has done the world an immeasurable service. He described them to a T.

        I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work 🙂

      • mindweapon says:

        Smiley,

        I believe in talking to them, getting to know them, as much as possible, without getting involved in any risky business with them. Probe them, see what makes them tick. See if they know what the work shikse means. See if they understand economics. See how they do business. You may have to strike up a regular friendship, even while maintaining your WN religion. That’s fine. Jews did that to us.

        That’s what I recommend. Let them educate you about them. You only need to position yourself to receive the knowledge and maybe even the connections. Don’t let them get over on you, of course, but play dumb. See the movie, “The Sting” with Robert Redford and Paul Newman.

        I’ve read lots of true spy memoirs and watched the movies. 95% of it is stuff anyone with a little bit of personality can do, and most of it involves being able to have a friendship that is almost a true friendship, but you have a secret agenda. Jews do this naturally. We have to learn to do this.

      • maxsnafu says:

        Kevin MacDonald addresses this sort of self-deception In Separation and Its Discontents, Vol. 2 of his trilogy on Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy.

    • thordaddy says:

      It is incorrect to say Chrisitianity doesn’t deal with the “nature” of the Jew. In fact, it is all the variants of liberationist who help the Jew cover up his self-annihilating ways. The Jewish people are the archetype ethnic self-annihilators always on the brink of total annihilation and only perpetuated through a created “spiritual” self (through Judaism and the worship of a radically autonomous god) and “intellectual” self (through leftist/secular/atheist thought) that are impervious to physical destruction. In addition, matrilineality puts all enemies of radical Jewish autonomy in an incredibly perilous position of having to choose total annihilation to see victory.

      White Supremacists are the only ones who see the addiction for self-annihilation in which the Jewish collective is only the finest “exemplar” amongst the ethnics.

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